Decipher

I'm sorry you feel that way, but politics have a lot more to do with this than you think. Politicians run our countries. The decisions they make affect more than the just the country they run. For example Bush royally screwed Canadian lumber mills over with extreme tariffs. That's just one example. It goes both ways though.

These politicians also have the power to dictate whether a technology will be available to the public anytime soon. One example is this plant down in the US that can convert garbage (animal refuse, plastics, even tires) into oil. But, because it doesn't fit within strict guidelines of being considered "bio-diesel", they don't get the same tax cuts and grants available to other such programs, thus this great technology that can empty laqndfills will most likely be cast aside and never used to it's potential.

If you want proof of how involved Bush is with the oil industry, go see Farenheit 9/11. Whether you agree with it or not, you're not being lied to. It may be biased, but it's all truth.

I won't lie to you. I don't need to buy your votes. All I want is for people to know the whole truth about things and make their decision based on that. All the people who voted "No" based on things that have been proven to be false need to do some real research. If this technology wasn't viable, then why would they even bring it to the publics attention?

Gattguy47

thats nuts. garbage = oil. crazy stuff. lol. But you have a point. Politics have a great effect on all of us

sscobra

I have read most of this post. I wanted to see why a "hydro-powered stang" post was so long. I have read some very good points and some not so good points. People are never going to please every person. That is what makes life interesting, the varity. Some peolple like mustangs sosme people don't. Some people like horsepower some people prefer gas mileage. The bottom line is that every person likes his or her own thing. That is what makes them unique. However, I will say the only thing that keeps bothering me about this whole post is the comparing of the "envrioment friendly" V6 versus the "gas hogging" V8. I have owned several mustangs. One of which was a 1991 mustang 2.3L coupe. Granted the only reason I had the car was to keep miles of my Cobra and had later plans of for a 351 swap. So it seemed like every time I would drive the 91 A bad stang would pull up beside me, and all I would think is dang I got this real nice Cobra just sitting at the house. Sorry derailed, the point of this long story is that the 2.3l only got 21 mpg. (city) and like 25 (hwy). So I traded it for a 94 G.T. that got 20 mpg. (city) and 24-25 (hwy). Man the Cobra gets 19 (city) with mods. My wife's 95 V6 pushes to get 25 on the highway. And yes all these cars are in great mechanical shape with regular "check-ups". We did a 2.3 to 5.0 swap on a 92 and with the new 5.0 it got almost 28 mpg on the hwy. I have found that you had to spend most of your time in the gas on the 2.3 and the 3.8 just to get into and stay with traffic (and has nothing to do with having a led-foot). Just saying!

Decipher

Well, you can't deny that the V6 will get better mileage than the GT. I'm not comparing it to other years or engines, just the two available with the 05 Mustang.

Badandy

I was not saying that politicians do not run our counties. Unfortunately, that is the case :bang:


I do not know of the situation where Bush "screwed" the lumber mills in Canada, so I can't comment on that.

Ah, but a delightful one half of our population really doesn't believe in tax cuts. Maybe if they did, there wouldn't be such strict guidelines.

Thanks but no thanks


Good, because my votes wouldn't count much in your country.

hdwrench

hmm got bored about page 6 with all the tree hugging going on. I think we should just go back to leaded gasoline and constant loss oiling systems. you dont change your oil... it just drips out and you add more as needed.

Darth Stang

Anyone who would quote Michael Moore as a credible source of anything isn't worth listening to.

- Darth

:jedi:

Brian302505

Bush lesser of 2 Evils. ROFLMAO!!! Cheney states, Iraq has connections with Al Qaeda. 2 Days later Bush states no there is no evidence of that connection. Also, remember the Iraq war before it started was stated Al Qaeda had a link with Iraq. Low and Behold, THERE IS NONE!!!!!!!!!

Decipher

Anyone who thinks Bush is not a liar and that the war in Iraq is justified is not worth listening to.

I'm not picking a fight here, I'm just pointing out how useless your post was and how, well, I find your opinion laughable.

Decipher

Yeah. To heck with us tree-huggers. How dare we care about peoples health? How dare we want our children to be able to breath in the future? How dare we want to protect certain animals in order to preserve the food chain and not cause infestations or lack of insects to pollenate crops? How dare we want this world to be able to be farmed for more than the next few decades? Really, I mean, what ARE we thinking? It's not like WE'RE affected by any of this. Nope, not at all.

Scratch

I think everyone should just try to remember what this site is about. People who love Mustangs. Let's try to be at least civil about our opinions and stop all the rhetoric. One of the reasons I come to this site is to enjoy the dialogues and the intelligent banter - I thought we were all out of the third grade. Let's just be cool to each other.

jgsmuzzy

I completely agree with Scratch, what started as a very informative and interesting subject (with Decipher being the most knowledgeable about it ) has now decended into cat calling. I can understand everyone has a view, but there is so much back biting, it is getting painful. Come on folks, let's start talking constructively.

James

Decipher

I agree, and before Darth Stang reads my earlier post, though he'll read this after, I'd like to apologize for calling his opinion laughable. I thought about it after I posted it and realized even if I don't agree with virtually everything he says, I crossed a line with my response that I shouldn't have.

Darth Stang

Anyone who thinks Bush is not a liar and that the war in Iraq is justified is not worth listening to.

I'm not picking a fight here, I'm just pointing out how useless your post was and how, well, I find your opinion laughable.[/b][/quote]
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

-Darth

:flag2:

P.S. apology accepted

Decipher

Nice timing. Read the post above.

Badandy

EDIT: READ DECIPHER'S POST

Badandy

Bush lesser of 2 Evils. ROFLMAO!!! Cheney states, Iraq has connections with Al Qaeda. 2 Days later Bush states no there is no evidence of that connection. Also, remember the Iraq war before it started was stated Al Qaeda had a link with Iraq. Low and Behold, THERE IS NONE!!!!!!!!! [/b][/quote]
lol. What a well founded and articulated response. Might want to check some sources there so you get the whole story, not a poorly punctuated and spelled mini-response that does not cover a tenth of the issue.


Anyway, PaperTarget, I agree with you, the lesser of two evils.

Believe it or not, Badandy isn't a big Bush fan, but Kerry :notnice:

Decipher

Enough mudslinging. We are all different people with different viewpoints and therefore different opinions. Yes, politics is an integral part of this topic, but only when it directly relates to it. I would really hate to see this turn into a campaign thread where Bush and Kerry supports do nothing but call eachother out on things. If you're going to mention politics, keep it civil, articulated, and well-founded. Posting hear-say and personal opinions based on that and other propanda the media shoves down our throats is NOT WELCOME. That goes for BOTH sides.

Decipher

Wow.. I guess politics were keeping this thread alive. Fair enough. Might as well let it die now, it's had a good run, raised some awareness, closed some minds, well worth the kilobytes it consumes.

Badandy

lol, closed some minds.