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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 07:56 AM
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Lol...
Smart usability? You mean limitations and controlled.
And works, well, very well, all the time.

Have an Android phone, expected much, but in reality, the supposed open-platform advantages have been overwhelmed by substandard actually day-to-day usability. Perhaps programmers and profiteers benefit from the Android platform, but as an end user who simply wants to use it, color me disappointed. It definitely could use a lot more development and refinement, particularly in the UI. Yeah, it's flexible and crammed with a lot of features (and I use the word "crammed" quite purposefully), but in the end I just find myself cussing at the thing in exasperation every other time I try to use it.

My wife's iPhone, and even my old iPod, always impress me with their depth of refinement when it comes to actual use and essentially 0 problems or issues, quite in contrast to the constant fiddling and fussing my Android requires to work in some less-than-maddening fashion.

I think one of Ford Touches' biggest failings, too, is in a poor user interface/experience that utterly corrodes whatever technical capabilities might lie, somewhere, underneath it -- a situation I find quite analogous to my Android experience. Especially in an automotive application where limited driver attention and driver distraction are huge factors, any information system interface, experience and function has got to be absolutlely spot on smooth, intuitive and glitchless in operation, not one waiting for version X+1.

PS An interesting piece on "gentrifying" the Android ecosystem. [http://www.popsci.com/gadgets/articl...ntrify-android]

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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 06:38 PM
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I don't want to see the Canadian version GT speedometer with the 40/80/120 km highlighted. 60/100 which are more common speed limits are barely legible and worse with sunglasses worn. .
Really they should only have one set of numbers and km/h or mph set in the display setup.
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 07:38 PM
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Really they should only have one set of numbers and km/h or mph set in the display setup.
This. GM has it set up in the message center to switch from standard to metric. Ford needs to get with the times and do the same.
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Overboost

This. GM has it set up in the message center to switch from standard to metric. Ford needs to get with the times and do the same.
If GM's got it on their vehicles then I don't want it!
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 09:10 PM
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If GM's got it on their vehicles then I don't want it!
Oh lord.

It makes sense to simplify parts and use software to simplify things.
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Old Jul 18, 2013 | 01:08 PM
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No more mass! Spanish or English it's the same....I am sick of cars getting heavier and heavier. I don't care if a car has 600hp it if weighs 3900 or 4000lbs, keep it. These luxury sports sedans and some sport coupes are so freaking heavy any more. I want a sub-3500lb car and I can afford a 911, and don't really want a C7 Z06 (ok, I might, but can't afford that either).

I think Ford is addressing this with the S550, but I hope they don't do that by merely making it too small for big guys like me. Otherwise, I concur with almost everyone on this thread. I just want my low content, performance-only (i.e. track) version. That rumored GT350 is sweeeeet!

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Old Jul 18, 2013 | 01:26 PM
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A not retro mustang...
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Old Jul 22, 2013 | 08:04 AM
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I don't want Ford to follow the trend of a lot of the European high performance automakers, and decide that the manual transmission is no longer viable. I'm not a fan of this paddle shift trend that's popular now, and I NEVER opt for an automatic!
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Old Jul 23, 2013 | 03:15 PM
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Paddle shifters BLECHK!
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Old Jul 23, 2013 | 04:34 PM
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What DON'T you want to see in the next gen Mustang?
A price increase ...

Really they should only have one set of numbers and km/h or mph set in the display setup.
I would like that. Make the cluster a highly customizable LCD screen.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 09:47 AM
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Paddle shifters BLECHK!
They do make a nice option/feature on slush box automatics, why not have them in that instance?

Ideally, I'd rather see the "automatic" transmission go to a DCT type, which, objectively speaking, clearly the best performing gearbox type now available, stick shifts included. While I am a life-long stick wriggler, I could readily accept a DCT tranny in most any car without much hesitation.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
They do make a nice option/feature on slush box automatics, why not have them in that instance?

Ideally, I'd rather see the "automatic" transmission go to a DCT type, which, objectively speaking, clearly the best performing gearbox type now available, stick shifts included. While I am a life-long stick wriggler, I could readily accept a DCT tranny in most any car without much hesitation.
I just think paddle shifting is boring and would be really out of place on an American muscle car. If Ford decided they need to do this for the Euro peeps, then do it on a Focus or Taurus. Leave the Mustang out of that category.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Paddle shifters BLECHK!
What high performance car have you driven with flappy paddles to warrant your disdain?
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Dinosoar
No more mass! Spanish or English it's the same....I am sick of cars getting heavier and heavier. I don't care if a car has 600hp it if weighs 3900 or 4000lbs, keep it.
Sure, you can have the light weight Mustang in one of two flavors; the affordable low horsepower (aka Toyota FR-S) Mustang or the high horsepower expensive Mustang (aka Corvette Stingray).

And at the light weight high horsepower end of the spectrum, even with an all aluminum chassis, composite rotors, hollow cast suspension members and whatever else GM has done to keep weight in check while addressing many of the Corvettes short comings in an attempt to make it an acceptable modern automobile (which includes appeasing government regulations) did still see some weight gain as the new car is slightly heavier than the car it replaces.

Ford may be able to mitigate weight gain in the new car but I think its going to be more of a mass neutral result compared to the current car, maybe a bit lighter if we are lucky.

3500-3600 pounds for a car that performs as well as the current Mustang GT does at its price point (relative to inflation and the better income your parents and grand parents historically enjoyed) is entirely acceptable.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Evil_Capri

What high performance car have you driven with flappy paddles to warrant your disdain?
None... That's what I mean. There is no HiPo cars like that made in America. I just don't think it's something you see on American cars. My friend has a Pontiac Grand Prix GXP and he says they are just useless. Now, maybe with the right tranny, they work great, like Lambo's or Farrari's etc. I just don't think this would suit any Mustang well.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by rhumb
They do make a nice option/feature on slush box automatics, why not have them in that instance?

Ideally, I'd rather see the "automatic" transmission go to a DCT type, which, objectively speaking, clearly the best performing gearbox type now available, stick shifts included. While I am a life-long stick wriggler, I could readily accept a DCT tranny in most any car without much hesitation.
:agreed: I would love one in my cobra.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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I'd love a dual clutch flappy paddle option on the next gen "trackday" Mustang.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 05:20 PM
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The 2013 automatics already come with Select Shift button on the handle, so in a way we are already half way there. Might as well go all the way so its more useful. I think Ford is going to add this anyways because the Camaro comes with paddle shifters (buttons actually) and Ford doesn't want to be left out. Just don't get rid of the manual transmission.

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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure

None... That's what I mean. There is no HiPo cars like that made in America. I just don't think it's something you see on American cars. My friend has a Pontiac Grand Prix GXP and he says they are just useless. Now, maybe with the right tranny, they work great, like Lambo's or Farrari's etc. I just don't think this would suit any Mustang well.
Maybe that's the problem: we aren't seeing good modern DCT trannies on American cars and perhaps then many don't realize how good they can be.

It doesn't have to be high-buck super cars either; VW GTIs offer an excellent one for around the same price premium as an old slush-box auto. Those VW DCTs work great by the way and I don't see why one in a Stang would conflict with its character, certainly no more so than the slushboxes that been in Stangs since time immemorial.

That all said, I think a DCT in a Mustang would be very unlikely in the near term.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rhumb

Maybe that's the problem: we aren't seeing good modern DCT trannies on American cars and perhaps then many don't realize how good they can be.

It doesn't have to be high-buck super cars either; VW GTIs offer an excellent one for around the same price premium as an old slush-box auto. Those VW DCTs work great by the way and I don't see why one in a Stang would conflict with its character, certainly no more so than the slushboxes that been in Stangs since time immemorial.

That all said, I think a DCT in a Mustang would be very unlikely in the near term.
If you want to make them to be reliable in something as powerful as a mustang it's gonna take a little bit more research. The one in the GTI is VWs least advanced DCT.
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