What DON'T you want to see in the next gen Mustang?
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A luxury car incorrectly labeled as a 'mustang'. If you want a robocar with fruity handling, suspension, and all kinds of pansy- a**ed driver assists, then buy an M3, but none of these things should be contained in a mustang.
Last edited by Supersnake04; Dec 1, 2013 at 08:54 PM.
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Drop the IRS and the European body. The 2015 is no longer a muscle car, Ford and Dodge were the only two left that looks like the old muscle days. GM has never had a good looking car and they still don't except the Corvette. So the IRS may ride nice but it sucks for everything else, and is a money pit to tie it down. I have had they both and I am from the old days there is nothing like a live axel. So with all that said I am SOOOOOO happy I got my brand new 2014 5.0L track pack.
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I'd like to see the few long-term quality issues common with the S197 FIXED by proper design engineering.
1) cowl leak issues. bad sealing of sheetmetal seams, bad a-pillar gasketing, bad cowl drain plug design thats hidden/easily clogged, bad grommet design where the cowl cover snaps into windshield base.
2) stupid spark plug issues. know ford redesigned the 'break off' 4.6 plugs in '08, but that was after the 'improved' design in '04 - prior to '04, the 4.6/5.4s tended to blow plugs out of the heads... hope next gen engines wont suffer from such stupid design flaws.
3) proper hood hem prep/sealing/paint. anyone that saw the pics I put up from the auto show this year saw Ford was still putting out very poor work in the hood edges- pretty much every S197 WILL suffer paint failure there. lookied under my UNDRIVEN 2009 mustang yesterday (4.9 miles, only been wet a few times- sits undercover in the garage) and the paint blistering has begun to expand... Ive had pics from a few yrs ago of factory blemishes, they are definitely spreading- this is simply unacceptable for them to put out such shoddy work. I'm still reading of new models suffering, and pics I took at the auto show confirmed- AAI cant build a decent hood still- over 8 years after the S197 debut...
love the mustang, glad she's still around 50 model years going- but Ford needs to get their head out of the sand on things they MUST know were needing work to be even just 'acceptable' quality, not even 'good'.
Styling is one thing, will always have fans and non-fans- but when the cheapest Hyundai at the auto show has PERFECT hood hem sealing/paint, and the new BOSS302 on display, has dirt/wire/jagged edges under blistered/unsealed hood hems, it really pisses me off.
think about this stuff- lets not 'bash ford' about it, but please DO COMPLAIN to dealers/ auto show folks / ford customer service/ anyone that can pass info upstream to kinda hold their feet to the fire about customers expecting better... if we speak up, the mustang can become a even better car
1) cowl leak issues. bad sealing of sheetmetal seams, bad a-pillar gasketing, bad cowl drain plug design thats hidden/easily clogged, bad grommet design where the cowl cover snaps into windshield base.
2) stupid spark plug issues. know ford redesigned the 'break off' 4.6 plugs in '08, but that was after the 'improved' design in '04 - prior to '04, the 4.6/5.4s tended to blow plugs out of the heads... hope next gen engines wont suffer from such stupid design flaws.
3) proper hood hem prep/sealing/paint. anyone that saw the pics I put up from the auto show this year saw Ford was still putting out very poor work in the hood edges- pretty much every S197 WILL suffer paint failure there. lookied under my UNDRIVEN 2009 mustang yesterday (4.9 miles, only been wet a few times- sits undercover in the garage) and the paint blistering has begun to expand... Ive had pics from a few yrs ago of factory blemishes, they are definitely spreading- this is simply unacceptable for them to put out such shoddy work. I'm still reading of new models suffering, and pics I took at the auto show confirmed- AAI cant build a decent hood still- over 8 years after the S197 debut...
love the mustang, glad she's still around 50 model years going- but Ford needs to get their head out of the sand on things they MUST know were needing work to be even just 'acceptable' quality, not even 'good'.
Styling is one thing, will always have fans and non-fans- but when the cheapest Hyundai at the auto show has PERFECT hood hem sealing/paint, and the new BOSS302 on display, has dirt/wire/jagged edges under blistered/unsealed hood hems, it really pisses me off.
think about this stuff- lets not 'bash ford' about it, but please DO COMPLAIN to dealers/ auto show folks / ford customer service/ anyone that can pass info upstream to kinda hold their feet to the fire about customers expecting better... if we speak up, the mustang can become a even better car
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As Rhumb mentioned in his post, the Mustang was intended as a Pony car and has been since the very beginning when first introduced back in 64..
The Mustang was never intended to be a muscle car, however when the Mach 1, Boss 302, 351 and 429 arrived in 69 during the peak of the muscle car era, this is when Mustang lost it's original Pony car status and then later became labeled as a muscle car instead..
As Ford wanted the Mustang involved in the muscle car wars during it's peak from the mid to late 60's thru early 70's in order to compete with GM, Chrysler and American Motors..
But IMO ! Ford went a bit too far when the 71-73 Mustangs arrived as they became way too large and heavy for my liking and a far cry from it's original pony car roots..
Of course we all know what happened once the muscle car era came to it's end during the beginning of the 74 model year as muscle cars then became other wise known as extinct relics lol.
The Mustang was never intended to be a muscle car, however when the Mach 1, Boss 302, 351 and 429 arrived in 69 during the peak of the muscle car era, this is when Mustang lost it's original Pony car status and then later became labeled as a muscle car instead..
As Ford wanted the Mustang involved in the muscle car wars during it's peak from the mid to late 60's thru early 70's in order to compete with GM, Chrysler and American Motors..
But IMO ! Ford went a bit too far when the 71-73 Mustangs arrived as they became way too large and heavy for my liking and a far cry from it's original pony car roots..
Of course we all know what happened once the muscle car era came to it's end during the beginning of the 74 model year as muscle cars then became other wise known as extinct relics lol.
Last edited by m05fastbackGT; Dec 2, 2013 at 02:32 PM.
However, I think the rest of the post sets up a false dichotomy, that somehow a fully modern vehicle, in terms of handling dynamics, somehow equates to something negative (not even sure what "fruity handling" would be). The Mustang already has a load of driver assists but like most cars, including the M3. However, as in all cars and all things, it's how they're executed that matters most and whether they can be modulated or fully shut down for real hooning. In many cars, yes, the electronic nannies can be overbearing and deadening. Yet in many others, they can provide just the right amount of assist to keep you from deading yourself or even be turned off altogether for track time.
An M3 is hardly a robocar (indeed, most people are rather surprised at just how "raw" their driving experience can be at first exposure) and perhaps serves as an excellent benchmark for handling excellence and most importantly, driver involvement. Modern day, world-class handling excellence absolutely does not necessarily translate into some distant, dull "robocar" and if properly executed can greatly enhance rather than detract from the driving experience.
Perversely, some people seem to define or distinguish the Mustang's driving experience by its weaknesses (lively axle limitations) rather than its strengths (which it has many). I think the Ford Focus and Fiesta STs clearly show that Ford is more than capable of designing and developing world class and extremely entertaining and involving handling into their cars. If they can do that with their FWD econocar platforms, imagine what might be possible with a dedicated RWD performance car platform, ala the 2015 Mustang.
Anyways, well see in just a couple of days!
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Lump me in with the group that says the car should evolve. Otherwise it just won't appeal to many and you will see it disappear.
That said, fix the QC issues and keep the essential Mustang DNA (customizable, affordable sporty car with recognizable Mustang styling cues)
That said, fix the QC issues and keep the essential Mustang DNA (customizable, affordable sporty car with recognizable Mustang styling cues)
Agreed. A touch of retro is fine, but going full-relic is not.
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I would agree with the Mustang not being a "luxury" car, however one might define that. Broad affordability has always been a key component of the Mustang's DNA. However, I think the rest of the post sets up a false dichotomy, that somehow a fully modern vehicle, in terms of handling dynamics, somehow equates to something negative (not even sure what "fruity handling" would be). The Mustang already has a load of driver assists but like most cars, including the M3. However, as in all cars and all things, it's how they're executed that matters most and whether they can be modulated or fully shut down for real hooning. In many cars, yes, the electronic nannies can be overbearing and deadening. Yet in many others, they can provide just the right amount of assist to keep you from deading yourself or even be turned off altogether for track time. An M3 is hardly a robocar (indeed, most people are rather surprised at just how "raw" their driving experience can be at first exposure) and perhaps serves as an excellent benchmark for handling excellence and most importantly, driver involvement. Modern day, world-class handling excellence absolutely does not necessarily translate into some distant, dull "robocar" and if properly executed can greatly enhance rather than detract from the driving experience. Perversely, some people seem to define or distinguish the Mustang's driving experience by its weaknesses (lively axle limitations) rather than its strengths (which it has many). I think the Ford Focus and Fiesta STs clearly show that Ford is more than capable of designing and developing world class and extremely entertaining and involving handling into their cars. If they can do that with their FWD econocar platforms, imagine what might be possible with a dedicated RWD performance car platform, ala the 2015 Mustang. Anyways, well see in just a couple of days!
Edit: but I guess we all have opinions.
Last edited by Supersnake04; Dec 2, 2013 at 01:29 PM.
I agree with you on some points, and what I mean by fruity handling is something that doesn't challenge you while driving, that's why I like to drive older cars, I like to fight the ***** into submission haha, I like to stay on edge, knowing that there's nothing to help me if I slip up, all of these sissy cars with auto-brake, park assist, I've even seen some cars that awake you if you fall asleep and watch the road for the edge, and for pedestrians, don't you have eyes for a reason? I could list a million more things but the main thing I'm trying to say is if you can't drive/live with out these things, don't drive a mustang, or any car for that matter.
Seriously though, I think the 2015 will have very involving and entertaining dynamics, if perhaps not quite a treacherous as you seem to prefer J
Given the somnolent fools driving out there, I for one am glad, for my own safety and preservation, that so many cars do have these electronic nannies to keep these dolts from wreaking more havoc, death and destruction than they already do. Sad that perhaps they are so necessary, but given the realities of so many drivers’ competence, glad that they’re there -- just as long as there's off switches for those drivers who know understeer from underwear.
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You could always fit your new 2015 with a set of 195/80-15 bias ply Mileage Master tires with the traction level of old bowling shoes, coupled with blown shocks, sloppy bushings and worn brakes ... now THAT would be guaranteed to keep you awake!
Seriously though, I think the 2015 will have very involving and entertaining dynamics, if perhaps not quite a treacherous as you seem to prefer J
Given the somnolent fools driving out there, I for one am glad, for my own safety and preservation, that so many cars do have these electronic nannies to keep these dolts from wreaking more havoc, death and destruction than they already do. Sad that perhaps they are so necessary, but given the realities of so many drivers’ competence, glad that they’re there -- just as long as there's off switches for those drivers who know understeer from underwear.
Seriously though, I think the 2015 will have very involving and entertaining dynamics, if perhaps not quite a treacherous as you seem to prefer J
Given the somnolent fools driving out there, I for one am glad, for my own safety and preservation, that so many cars do have these electronic nannies to keep these dolts from wreaking more havoc, death and destruction than they already do. Sad that perhaps they are so necessary, but given the realities of so many drivers’ competence, glad that they’re there -- just as long as there's off switches for those drivers who know understeer from underwear.
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I like that we've got anti-lock brakes, traction control, etc on the current Mustangs. Going beyond that to self-parking, etc means that money that is being spent on that technology is money that isn't being spent on performance-enhancing technology. If the choice is between blind-spot radar/electric lane departure warnings and having say electronically adjustable shocks/struts like the Corvette, I say give me the latter.
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