Has the loss of acceleration performance cooled your enthusiasm for the S550?
2/15/15, 12:33 PM
#141
I haven't seen it proven. If anything, it has been proven to be at least the equal of the Boss 302, with some saying they found it to be better.
Vorshlag said they ran faster laps in a 2015 than they had ever run in a Boss 302.
Motortrend put the 2015 times on their figure 8 test at exactly the same as the Boss 302, which higher average G's.
Ford claims that it beat the Boss 302's lap time consistently during testing, which has to be taken with a grain of salt as marketing hype, but it is the source of people making the claim that the 2015 GTPP is superior.
Where have you seen it proven that the 2015 GT PP isn't better?
Vorshlag said they ran faster laps in a 2015 than they had ever run in a Boss 302.
Motortrend put the 2015 times on their figure 8 test at exactly the same as the Boss 302, which higher average G's.
Ford claims that it beat the Boss 302's lap time consistently during testing, which has to be taken with a grain of salt as marketing hype, but it is the source of people making the claim that the 2015 GTPP is superior.
Where have you seen it proven that the 2015 GT PP isn't better?
Now for what you've been waiting for: the new 2015 Mustang GT accelerates from 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds, and gallops through the quarter mile in 12.8 seconds at 112.2 mph. That's just a tick slower than the last performance-pack-equipped 2013 Mustang GT we tested. The old S197 model ties the 2015 model in a race to 60 mph and completes the quarter mile a tick faster at 12.7 seconds, with a 111.7 mph trap speed.
Now in that video a stock 2014 GT consistently albeit just barely nudges out a stock 2015 GT. To my mind the cars are even matched. Regardless of that the other cars in both examples above are stock GTs not Boss 302's. I wouldn't expect your stock 2015 GT to outrun a Boss 302 out of the box.
2/15/15, 12:49 PM
#142
Right, those are the straight line numbers that were the basis of this thread.
But in reference to handling and performance of the suspension for street/road course/autocross... which are what the claims he responded to (and said were wrong) were about... those numbers don't tell the story.
But in reference to handling and performance of the suspension for street/road course/autocross... which are what the claims he responded to (and said were wrong) were about... those numbers don't tell the story.
2/15/15, 01:51 PM
#143
Right, those are the straight line numbers that were the basis of this thread.
But in reference to handling and performance of the suspension for street/road course/autocross... which are what the claims he responded to (and said were wrong) were about... those numbers don't tell the story.
But in reference to handling and performance of the suspension for street/road course/autocross... which are what the claims he responded to (and said were wrong) were about... those numbers don't tell the story.
2/15/15, 02:46 PM
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2/15/15, 03:33 PM
#145
I'd love to run against some Boss 302's 
Hell, I'd love to own one. I tried to find a good school bus yellow 2013 before I decided to get the s550. If I weren't looking for more luxury with this purchase, I probably would have gone that route for the awesome nostalgia of how much it looks like exactly what I was in love with as a child.
But I didn't bring up the Boss 302 comparison... I just started replying to this:
Which, according to what I can find, isn't true.
Hell, I'd love to own one. I tried to find a good school bus yellow 2013 before I decided to get the s550. If I weren't looking for more luxury with this purchase, I probably would have gone that route for the awesome nostalgia of how much it looks like exactly what I was in love with as a child.
But I didn't bring up the Boss 302 comparison... I just started replying to this:
Which, according to what I can find, isn't true.
2/15/15, 06:27 PM
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2/15/15, 08:19 PM
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I don't have a definite answer here, but I have this:
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html
Randy drove the 2012 GT 5.0 and the 2015 GT PP. The 2015 was faster than than the 2012 GT by 1.4s on the Streets of Willow.
There is a 2012 Boss 302 time but it was not driven by Randy, and it's slower than the 2012 GT 5.0, so obviously the driver was not as good.
The question is on the Streets of Willow how much faster is a 2012 Boss 302 over a 2012 GT 5.0? If the difference is less than 1.4s we know the 2015 is faster than the Boss.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/willow...of_willow.html
Randy drove the 2012 GT 5.0 and the 2015 GT PP. The 2015 was faster than than the 2012 GT by 1.4s on the Streets of Willow.
There is a 2012 Boss 302 time but it was not driven by Randy, and it's slower than the 2012 GT 5.0, so obviously the driver was not as good.
The question is on the Streets of Willow how much faster is a 2012 Boss 302 over a 2012 GT 5.0? If the difference is less than 1.4s we know the 2015 is faster than the Boss.
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2/15/15, 08:24 PM
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Ok, just found this. I don't think Randy was driving, but @ 1:16 they say the 2012 Boss was about 2.5s faster than 2012 GT Mustang.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/30/v...-on-the-track/
Food for thought.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/30/v...-on-the-track/
Food for thought.
2/16/15, 06:08 PM
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Actually Skrap, typers is not trying to mislead you. Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3RqLSxFtw Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNIk0gyH6O8 Now in that video a stock 2014 GT consistently albeit just barely nudges out a stock 2015 GT. To my mind the cars are even matched. Regardless of that the other cars in both examples above are stock GTs not Boss 302's. I wouldn't expect your stock 2015 GT to outrun a Boss 302 out of the box.
2/16/15, 08:05 PM
#150
Exactly! And when the next gen Mustang comes out, if its slower than the S550, will these same people defending the 15's lack of straight line performance today, readily hand over there money for an even slower Stang? If it's a pony car and it doesnt beat the previous gen in a drag race, i wouldnt even consider it!!
2/16/15, 08:13 PM
#151
And the 2015 mustang cant even beat the out going Challenger or Camaro in a drag race
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2015-ford-mustang-gt-vs-chevrolet-camaro-ss-1le-dodge-challenger-r-t-scat-pack-comparison-test?
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2/16/15, 08:49 PM
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Exactly! And when the next gen Mustang comes out, if its slower than the S550, will these same people defending the 15's lack of straight line performance today, readily hand over there money for an even slower Stang? If it's a pony car and it doesnt beat the previous gen in a drag race, i wouldnt even consider it!!
2/17/15, 02:02 AM
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There are always upgrades. Sometimes in performance, sometimes new features and the 2015 got some nice updates not to mention Ford was focused on releasing it around the world for the first time.
2/17/15, 12:59 PM
#155
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I have a 2012 but yeah it's pretty well know that the new one smokes the s197 on a road course. I'll have to find the test but I believe it was in road and track magazine where they have all time leaders on this airport course they have. I could be wrong on this slightly but I believe the 15 mustang PP GT best a 2012 boss by like 2 seconds or more.
Perhaps that's considered a significant difference on the track ? but in the real world, 2 seconds doesn't mean squat as the majority of those who own their cars rarely ever see the track anyhow but are mainly used as daily drivers..
And for those who feel that 2 seconds is such a deal breaker when it comes to competing at the track ? Well isn't that the entire purpose for modifying to begin with
The bottom line is.. No matter how bad@ss you think your car is, there's always going to be someone that's faster and has a better car than what you have..
So is the current 2015 Mustang faster and better handling over the previous S-197 generation ? Well duh, it should be after all the refinements and technology changes over the past 10 years, just as the previous S-197 generation was improved over it's SN-95 predecessor and so forth all the way down to the very first generation..
Therefore it's pretty much a no brainer and is to be expected and by the time the 2020 refresh arrives, how many current 2015 owners will still claim they're Mustangs are still the best ever made ?
The point is.. It all boils down to personal preference as to which car you happen to feel is the best or appeals most to you and in the end, that's all that really matters !
2/17/15, 02:33 PM
#156
Two seconds or more ??? Hardly what I consider as being smoked
Perhaps that's considered a significant difference on the track ? but in the real world, 2 seconds doesn't mean squat as the majority of those who own their cars rarely ever see the track anyhow but are mainly used as daily drivers..
And for those who feel that 2 seconds is such a deal breaker when it comes to competing at the track ? Well isn't that the entire purpose for modifying to begin with
The bottom line is.. No matter how bad@ss you think your car is, there's always going to be someone that's faster and has a better car than what you have..
So is the current 2015 Mustang faster and better handling over the previous S-197 generation ? Well duh, it should be after all the refinements and technology changes over the past 10 years, just as the previous S-197 generation was improved over it's SN-95 predecessor and so forth all the way down to the very first generation..
Therefore it's pretty much a no brainer and is to be expected and by the time the 2020 refresh arrives, how many current 2015 owners will still claim they're Mustangs are still the best ever made ?
The point is.. It all boils down to personal preference as to which car you happen to feel is the best or appeals most to you and in the end, that's all that really matters !
Perhaps that's considered a significant difference on the track ? but in the real world, 2 seconds doesn't mean squat as the majority of those who own their cars rarely ever see the track anyhow but are mainly used as daily drivers..
And for those who feel that 2 seconds is such a deal breaker when it comes to competing at the track ? Well isn't that the entire purpose for modifying to begin with
The bottom line is.. No matter how bad@ss you think your car is, there's always going to be someone that's faster and has a better car than what you have..
So is the current 2015 Mustang faster and better handling over the previous S-197 generation ? Well duh, it should be after all the refinements and technology changes over the past 10 years, just as the previous S-197 generation was improved over it's SN-95 predecessor and so forth all the way down to the very first generation..
Therefore it's pretty much a no brainer and is to be expected and by the time the 2020 refresh arrives, how many current 2015 owners will still claim they're Mustangs are still the best ever made ?
The point is.. It all boils down to personal preference as to which car you happen to feel is the best or appeals most to you and in the end, that's all that really matters !
I agree about the S550 being an improvement in performance but here's the thing for me. I'd buy a 2004 GT before I'd buy a 2015 GT just because it's a more appealing car to me. I couldn't care less if every S550 on the road out runs the car, I would still prefer the 2004.
2/17/15, 05:08 PM
#157
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I agree about the S550 being an improvement in performance but here's the thing for me. I'd buy a 2004 GT before I'd buy a 2015 GT just because it's a more appealing car to me. I couldn't care less if every S550 on the road out runs the car, I would still prefer the 2004.
As I made that mistake once when I got rid of my 93 SVT Cobra and I won't make the same mistake again, although I'll fully admit the technology improvements weren't my main reasons for upgrading to the S-197..
The main reason I pulled the trigger was because the S-197 reminded me so much of the original 1st generation 65-70 Mustangs I grew up admiring since being introduced in 64 that I knew I just had to end up getting one no matter what it took, as that's how strong of an impact it had on me after seeing it for the first time back in 2004 and as much as I happen to like the new S550 Mustang, it just didn't quite blow me away like the 2005 did and I highly doubt I'll ever see another again that'll even come close..
So yes, that's how strong of an appeal the 05-14's have and will always have upon me regardless of how well the current S550 and future generations happen to outperform them..
Therefore I totally understand where your coming from about your preference and appeal for the 2004 GT
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