Apology letters to a new generation.
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Put whatever code letters you want on it, it was basically taken from the mid-sized Lincoln at the time. Current platform: I'm going off of quotes from Ford in various videos and the fact it's their only RWD car. Sounds like a unique platform to me. Global Platform sounds like 4-wheel passenger car to me. Then yes, they're all the same.
The 2015 on the other hand, is part of Ford's global platform and although it's currently the only RWD vehicle on that platform, it is never the less shared with the current Taurus and especially with the current Fusion..
In addition, the next RWD Lincoln will also be included on Ford's global platform as well !
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Well, to each his (or her) own... this conversation has definitely been entertaining! 
Regarding the Baby Boomers (of which I am not one), um- they're alive and well AND they happen to have all the money at the moment.
Regarding the Fusion and awesomeness... the Ford Galaxie was an awesome car too- but I'm sure glad the '65 Mustang didn't share its front end!
In the spirit of the direction this discussion has gone, I would say the '15 reminds me of Miley Cyrus twerking (in the sense that it looks silly, makes me just slightly nauseous, and- while drawing a lot of temporary attention- is really nothing new).
When this appears in the rear-view mirror, it says "I'm headed to the local drive-in to hang out with my buds, drink some Buds, and possibly raise some heck... you would be wise to get out of my way."
THIS says, "I'm headed to CarToys for some neon lights to make my car glow at night like the cars in Fast and Furious... You might want to give me room because I'm pretty hopped up on Monster drinks right now."
But hey, even Monster-drink glugging ricers need something to drive- Ford better hope they have enough cash to plunk down for a '15 Mustang!
(Oh, and tell her to make mine a TURKEY sandwich.
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Regarding the Baby Boomers (of which I am not one), um- they're alive and well AND they happen to have all the money at the moment.
Regarding the Fusion and awesomeness... the Ford Galaxie was an awesome car too- but I'm sure glad the '65 Mustang didn't share its front end!
In the spirit of the direction this discussion has gone, I would say the '15 reminds me of Miley Cyrus twerking (in the sense that it looks silly, makes me just slightly nauseous, and- while drawing a lot of temporary attention- is really nothing new).
When this appears in the rear-view mirror, it says "I'm headed to the local drive-in to hang out with my buds, drink some Buds, and possibly raise some heck... you would be wise to get out of my way."
THIS says, "I'm headed to CarToys for some neon lights to make my car glow at night like the cars in Fast and Furious... You might want to give me room because I'm pretty hopped up on Monster drinks right now."
But hey, even Monster-drink glugging ricers need something to drive- Ford better hope they have enough cash to plunk down for a '15 Mustang!
(Oh, and tell her to make mine a TURKEY sandwich.
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The D2C platform was specifically designed as a RWD platform exclusively for the Mustang and was never used on any other vehicle in the Ford line up..
So as far as I'm concerned, D2C has been the Mustang's own RWD platform from 2005 to present..
At any rate, my only intention here is to get a point across and nothing more !
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Although the current S-197 did borrow some suspension components from the DEW98 platform along with it's floor pans and parts of its basic fuel tank design..
The D2C platform was specifically designed as a RWD platform exclusively for the Mustang and was never used on any other vehicle in the Ford line up..
So as far as I'm concerned, D2C has been the Mustang's own RWD platform from 2005 to present..
At any rate, my only intention here is to get a point across and nothing more !
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yes with refinements comes cost, but forget IRS, etc- look back to 05 even- 25k for a cheep plastic interior, no frills 2 door straight axle stick shift (and a V8)... I love the 05-09, but still- to me these were 'relatively low content' cars, and I really think even then 20k base woulda still been a profitable number for a BASE V8... let folks option them too the moon if they want, but basic/fun/inexpensive models in my opinion were what helped the Mustangs staying power... now with base GTs at 30k, its becoming something other than what its always stood for.
styling wise, I really dont understand why to be 'a world car' it had to look like another model at all... does ford think europeans hated the mustangs unique look? why did the frontend get called 'retro' anyway- it simply looked mustanglike to me- the new front end does not. it dont look bad, but it dont look all that unique, and definitely not unmistakably mustang like the 05-09... everyone has their favorites/least favorites- but to me the biggest styling flops ever thrown at the mustang was the 10-12 rear and the 15 front... I hope they sell well in europe, but I predict worldwide <100k units tops, only half that in the US- hope I'm wrong and its >200k, time will tell. I just cant see folks getting in line like 05- the 05 was a good car, but IMO 90% of the draw was 'the look' initially. styling , so-so, pricing though is up there with a lot of others- others that also have non-unique looks.
look at the late-great GTO. that car was awesome, but looked like anything else on the road. I dont think the mustang is 'GTO bad', but its not got the 'gotta have it' look of the 05 to the masses. everyone Ive showed pics to said the same thing- meh... its just not got that call to it
my opinion of course.
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[QUOTE=TampaBear67;6730643]I just don't understand these people who keep saying the front end doesn't look like a Mustang...
NOW??
NOW??
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QUOTE=Samolet;6730649]
Nope...
I can see Mustang in the Fusion
Because All of These Came BEFORE The Fusion, and The Evos Concept which was Its self Inspired by the Mustang and in turn inspired both the 2015 Mustang and the 2014 Fusion.
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I can see Mustang in the Fusion
Because All of These Came BEFORE The Fusion, and The Evos Concept which was Its self Inspired by the Mustang and in turn inspired both the 2015 Mustang and the 2014 Fusion.
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My son dragged me out to the local Chevy dealer yesterday. He wanted to look at the new Corvette- thankfully, there were none on the lot, but we got a good chance to look at the latest Camaro.
Oddly enough, while Ford has been busy screwing up the front of the Mustang, Chevy has totally ruined the rear end of the Camaro! The car looks like an Impala (or something equally drab) from behind. Its like GM gave the Camaro back end to the Vette, then ran out of ideas and slapped some rectangular tail lights on the Camaro.
Oddly enough, while Ford has been busy screwing up the front of the Mustang, Chevy has totally ruined the rear end of the Camaro! The car looks like an Impala (or something equally drab) from behind. Its like GM gave the Camaro back end to the Vette, then ran out of ideas and slapped some rectangular tail lights on the Camaro.
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How could it be more true to the spirit of the 60's cars? Makes no sense, it's more sports car than muscle car. But we've all got our opinions. Absolutely no interesting in owning a '15. I'm interested it what it will do. I knew this day would come and I am very grateful that Ford gave me my retro Mustang. I'm happy.
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How could it be more true to the spirit of the 60's cars? Makes no sense, it's more sports car than muscle car. But we've all got our opinions. Absolutely no interesting in owning a '15. I'm interested it what it will do. I knew this day would come and I am very grateful that Ford gave me my retro Mustang. I'm happy.
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The fact is the American iconic pony muscle car is gone. Ford has moved in a different direction with the mustang and it was done with the hopes of global success. We as pure mustang enthusiasts want our design to scream bad a$$ sexy muscle mustang. The 2015 couldn't be more opposite. Now don't get me wrong , Ford created a sexy sports car not a sexy muscle, mustang. There is a difference. The new 2015 5.0 was allegedly reported to out handle the 2012 Mustang Boss. There is no need for this. There is nothing wrong with the 2014 5.0's handling capabilities. If you want an amazing sports car to handle corners go buy a Corvette, Nissan 370Z, Porsch, BMW. The true spirit of the mustang is a straight line power house with a solid rear axle. No need for an IRS on a Mustang that is muscle, pony car. Challengers can't handle for crap but there not supposed too. Its a freaking muscle car with big displacement and HP. Its about the look and cruise of it. Fords exterior design looks like a really hot euro sports car with a Fusion/Taurus facia and 370 z side but not even close to American raw Muscle. I'm not downing the new mustang but enthusiasts like me and all of us need to accept Ford is looking to create a new form of enthusiasts and bottom line, show me the money and old school mustang heritage is long gone.
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So explain how the 2015 Stang is closer in spirit to the 1965 model over the retro 05-14 cars ? As the S-197 design was also a fusion between American performance elements and euro styling just as the 65 model was..
Which is exactly why the 05-14 models are referred to as retro-futuristic in the first place.. As Ford took both design and styling elements from the 1st generation 65-70 models and thus the S-197 became known as a modern interpretation of those 1960 era Mustangs..
Therefore IMO the S-197 is much closer in spirit with the 1st generation 65-70 cars and btw.. This was also Ford's intention when they designed the 2005 model from the very start !
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First of all, The 2005+ Mustang was not a modern re-creation of the original 1965 model.. Ford took the best design and styling elements from the classic 65-70 models and the S-197 was created as a modern interpretation of those classic 65-70 era Mustangs ..
So I don't quite understand what you mean when you refer to the 2005 was inherently backwards looking for its inspiration, losing in effect its modern spirit in contemporary 2005 terms.
When Ford created the S-197, it wasn't intended on looking for inspiration in contemporary modern 2005 terms, however once again the 2005+ Mustang wasn't a modern re-creation of any specific 1st generation model and although the car was considered as retro-futuristic, meaning that it took inspiration from the classic 65-70 models, it was also a contemporary modern design in it's own right as well..
As for the danger you posted concerning the downfall of a strong retro design goes ? Well I don't consider a 10 year generation as a downfall nor having far less shelf life either as the 2005+ models did quite well in sales until the recession crisis hit in 2008-09..
Let's also not forget that due to the success of the retro inspired Mustang that GM and Chrysler both jumped on the retro bandwagon and brought back the Camaro and Challenger from extinction and now look at how well the Camaro has been doing in sales since it's comeback in 2010..
But make no mistake about it, if it hadn't been for the success of the 2005+ Mustang, both the Challenger and Camaro would still be ancient history to this day and chances are there wouldn't be a new 2015 Mustang arriving at all either..
I do however have a much better understanding now and totally agree with you about the 2015 Mustang being truer to the 1965 in overall spirit as the 65 was indeed a modern and all new design back in the 1960's era just as the 2015 is also a completely all new and modern design for the 21st century
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I beg to differ, the new car is as muscular looking, if not more so than my 2012 Boss and more Muscular looking than the 65-68, and 74 to Current cars. It's just more modern, and less of a caricature. I imagine the future performance models will tack on enough Aero bits and intakes for those that miss hoods scoops and wings. The fact that it sits lower rather than having a 4x4 stance is pretty much enough for me to build on.
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Put whatever code letters you want on it, it was basically taken from the mid-sized Lincoln at the time. Current platform: I'm going off of quotes from Ford in various videos and the fact it's their only RWD car. Sounds like a unique platform to me. Global Platform sounds like 4-wheel passenger car to me. Then yes, they're all the same.
As the Lincoln LS used a 4 wheel independent double wishbone suspension.. The current Mustang is strictly a 3 link solid rear axle with MacPherson front strut suspension..
The D2C platform did nothing more than take certain components that were carry overs from the DEW98 platform, such as the front frame rails, floor pans, portions of the transmission tunnel and basic fuel tank design..
D2C also took suspension components from Ford's C1 global platform that include the front strut and trailing arm assemblies..
Other than that, those were the only similarities in which DEW98 and D2C shared together in common..
As far as those code letters are concerned ? They weren't put on by me, but were rather put on by Ford lol.
The bottom line is this.. The current 05-14 Mustang is the only vehicle that's ever been used on Ford's D2C RWD platform and that's a fact..
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