I respect what your saying but my opinion my plain lines as you put it are more true than your close hips. But to each his own. I Love all mustangs I am just a firm believer that 05 to 09 was the last of the 'strait pony'. These new one's are more 'not so strait exotic' to me. Great car, probably perform on a whole another scale, but me I'm going to stick to what I know. I know pony, I leave exotic to the ballers. But hey we could argue that all day long in the end it doesn't matter. Good day

 

Agreed :-!

 

So this was what all the fuss was about?

Meh. Most of the car looks okay- and the back end even looks pretty cool... otherwise, meh. Oh, and Ford was super daring in their choice to change the front end to match every-other-car-on-the-lot. (At least they tried to cue the 3-step vertical body feature on the front of the '65 on the inside of the light.)

Car of the Year? Why not (if the 4 series doesn't take it)?

Oh, and although I would never own one, Chevy DID screw up the Corvette when they got rid of the flip-ups. They finished destroying it with this year's model (at least the '15 Mustang doesn't look THAT bad... god the C7 is plain uh-guh-lee). Whoever is responsible for the Aztette (yes, I'm speculating the guy that designed the Aztek was let loose on the Vette) should be immediately fired!

 

Haha classic!

 

Some were (six bangers), some weren't (GTs with K code V8s), pretty much like today. However, in the context of their days, I do think the 2015 hews a bit closer to a '65 than, say, a '71 429, i.e., more well-rounded Pony car than hulking muscle car.

That all said, the 2015 is its own horse too, with straight line kick far better than any big block muscle car Stang and, presumably, dynamics far better than any previous Stang. In a sense, its a best of both worlds: muscle car punch with pony car moves, I don't think either camp has much to complain about with the 2015.

 

Here's my 2015 pony . Suck it fellas . Lmfao. Who needs IRS when your rocking this.

 

So explain how the 2015 Stang is closer in spirit to the 1965 model over the retro 05-14 cars ? As the S-197 design was also a fusion between American performance elements and euro styling just as the 65 model was..

Which is exactly why the 05-14 models are referred to as retro-futuristic in the first place.. As Ford took both design and styling elements from the 1st generation 65-70 models and thus the S-197 became known as a modern interpretation of those 1960 era Mustangs..

Therefore IMO the S-197 is much closer in spirit with the 1st generation 65-70 cars and btw.. This was also Ford's intention when they designed the 2005 model from the very start !

 

Gary ! What I also find very unique about the 05-14 models.. Is for the very first time in the Mustang's history, it never shared a platform with any other from the Ford family line up..

As the Mustang had it's very own platform and very own identity as a direct result, which is just another reason IMHO why I find the 05-14 models as timeless

 

Oh brother...:/

 

DEW98 Platform doesn't count because of the suspension component differences?

 

SURE...the "guy" that designed the C-7 should be fired. That car alone will launch more sales for GM than any American car built in the next 20 years. Watch and learn. Scott

 

The S-197 was not based off the DEW98 platform, it was a spin off from it..

Although it shared some suspension components from DEW98.. That was pretty much all the S-197 had in common with it..

As the S-197 Mustang was built exclusively on it's own platform known as D2C..

Therefore yes ! It does indeed count..


The Ford D2C platform (for "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_size_class 2-door http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupe" and primarily known as S197) is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company's latest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear-wheel_drive http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_platform. Currently, the only vehicle using this platform is the 2005-present http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang and its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Mustang derivative.
The platform basics are a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut suspension in front and 3-link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_axle in the rear with a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panhard_rod. Unlike previous http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Vehicle_Team (SVT) Mustang variations, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_Mustang does not include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_suspension, but also has a solid rear axle.
Considered a new platform by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Motor_Company, D2C is loosely based on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_DEW_platform which served as the basis for the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_LS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_S-Type. The 2005 S197 Mustang was originally designed to use a "Lite" version of the DEW98 platform, but while that plan was eventually scrapped as too expensive, most D2C platform development completed prior to that decision was retained. This led to the carryover of several DEW98 chassis components. These components include the floor pans, portions of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_tunnel, the front frame rails, and basic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tank design.
Differences between D2C and DEW98 are most noticeable in the suspension: The DEW98-based http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_LS uses a 4-wheel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_suspension http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_wishbone_suspension. The D2C platform's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut front suspension and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_axle rear suspension are less expensive to produce than DEW's more complicated setup. D2C also shares components with other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_platforms. These include Ford's global http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_C1_platform platform, with which D2C shares front http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strut and rear http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailing_arm components.
Ford's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_Forward plan called for Mustang derivative models (such as a 4-door) to be launched by 2008, but that never occurred. In January 2009, Ford announced they are not currently developing a replacement platform, meaning D2C will likely underpin Mustang for years to come. The Mustang was revised for model year 2010.

 

SURE...the "guy" that designed the C-7 should be fired. That car alone will launch more sales for GM than any American car built in the next 20 years. Watch and learn.

Really? Whatever...

IIRC, 1974 represented one of the best sales years for the Mustang- but I don't see anyone arguing that the Mustang II was a thing of beauty (although I owned a '76, so apparently I thought it looked okay :^).

The new Vette is ugly- partly because its trying to be something its not (a European sports car). The new Mustang isn't ugly- but (IMO) it isn't as good looking as the S197 its replacing. Now it just looks like every other car on the Ford dealer's lot. The '65 represented something completely different in the Ford line-up... kinda ironic that Ford would celebrate the 50th by reducing the Mustang's uniqueness.

 

Although I really like (haven't seen one in person yet) the new Mustang, I agree with you about the uniqueness of the car. I'll buy a 16 model. Scott the C-7 though will be a HUGE success, not just for the Corvette but all of GM. That car will get people in the showrooms and on the lot.

 

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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT

So explain how the 2015 Stang is closer in spirit to the 1965 model over the retro 05-14 cars ? As the S-197 design was also a fusion between American performance elements and euro styling just as the 65 model was..

Well, to start, the 1965 model was very modern and forward looking in its time, circa 196, while the 2005 was inherently backwards looking for its inspiration, losing in effect its modern spirit in contemporary 2005 terms. That critical element -- how does each model stand in terms of its contemporary market place -- is what clearly distinguishes both the 1965 and the 2015 from the 2005. Whereas the 2005 was trying to recreate a modern 1965 Mustang, the 2015 is trying to create a modern Mustang altogether, just as the 1965 was trying to be a new, fresh modern car -- the 1965 was a far more modern and fresh design in its day than the 2005 ever was.

Yes, the 2015 does retain a modicum of stylistic DNA, though much less than the 2005, but is a far more modern and forward looking car both mechanically and aesthetically -- far more future than retro than the 2005. That is the danger/downfall of a strong retro design, that it already starts with a high degree of “been there, seen that” from day 1 and thus potentially having far less shelf life outside of a coterie of retro adherents.

So yes, while the 2005 is much truer to the 1965 in terms of specific design elements, I would still say the 2015 is truer to the 1965 in overall spirit.

 

Very nicely said and I would agree completely with that! I was merely talking about the retro look (which also brought along modern underpinnings, conveniences and reliability) that enamored me so much!

 

First of all, The 2005+ Mustang was not a modern re-creation of the original 1965 model.. Ford took the best design and styling elements from the classic 65-70 models and the S-197 was created as a modern interpretation of those classic 65-70 era Mustangs ..

So I don't quite understand what you mean when you refer to the 2005 was inherently backwards looking for its inspiration, losing in effect its modern spirit in contemporary 2005 terms.

When Ford created the S-197, it wasn't intended on looking for inspiration in contemporary modern 2005 terms, however once again the 2005+ Mustang wasn't a modern re-creation of any specific 1st generation model and although the car was considered as retro-futuristic, meaning that it took inspiration from the classic 65-70 models, it was also a contemporary modern design in it's own right as well..

As for the danger you posted concerning the downfall of a strong retro design goes ? Well I don't consider a 10 year generation as a downfall nor having far less shelf life either as the 2005+ models did quite well in sales until the recession crisis hit in 2008-09..

Let's also not forget that due to the success of the retro inspired Mustang that GM and Chrysler both jumped on the retro bandwagon and brought back the Camaro and Challenger from extinction and now look at how well the Camaro has been doing in sales since it's comeback in 2010..

But make no mistake about it, if it hadn't been for the success of the 2005+ Mustang, both the Challenger and Camaro would still be ancient history to this day and chances are there wouldn't be a new 2015 Mustang arriving at all either..

I do however have a much better understanding now and totally agree with you about the 2015 Mustang being truer to the 1965 in overall spirit as the 65 was indeed a modern and all new design back in the 1960's era just as the 2015 is also a completely all new and modern design for the 21st century

 

When the '65 Mustang hit the Ford dealerships, it was a car design like nothing else on the lot. The '15 Mustang is a 2 door Fusion.

In all honesty, the introduction of the Probe was more consistent with the spirit of the '65 Mustang than this thing is... (if Ford had made the Probe RWD, perhaps it would have succeeded in the original plan to make it the new Mustang).

 

That's like saying any car with rectangles in the grills look the same.

Might be the same shape for ONE PART of the car,
but the overall package look nothing alike.

That style nose cone came out years prior in the GT500, carried over to the regular mustang and then changed shape to the new car.

Seeing it in person, Fusion is the farthest thing from my mind. It's just a shape.

 

Hmmm, to my eye everything from the side view mirrors forward is nearly identical. In fact, I had a Fusion behind me on the way to work and- if you just put a Mustang in the grill- it could have passed for the car in the launch photos.

The back end looks good (and is different), but come on- the '15 has none of the spirit behind the original '65 Mustang (namely, being a whole new breed of car). Rather, this car is a "I want to be a Euro car too" concept. Very disappointing...