Here's how easy it would be to give the 2010 350HP
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But I'll end the discussion right here and now because I don't want you to think I'm picking on you and trying to instigate a fight. Fair enough?
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Forget numbers for a moment and think about what I said-- Manufacturers use HP (not torque) in their marketing to help them sell new cars. That's it. Nothing else. No numbers or examples. That's my point. The next time you hear a car commercial on TV where they mention torque (and not HP), let me know.
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Me too. HP doesn't sell a car FOR ME because I know that it is possible to make any car put out more HP than it has originally.
Forget numbers for a moment and think about what I said-- Manufacturers use HP (not torque) in their marketing to help them sell new cars. That's it. Nothing else. No numbers or examples. That's my point. The next time you hear a car commercial on TV where they mention torque (and not HP), let me know.
Forget numbers for a moment and think about what I said-- Manufacturers use HP (not torque) in their marketing to help them sell new cars. That's it. Nothing else. No numbers or examples. That's my point. The next time you hear a car commercial on TV where they mention torque (and not HP), let me know.
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Commercials for economy cars tend to focus on economy because that's the main interest for their buyers.
Over the years, I've heard/watched quite a few Mustang commericals that mentioned HP and not a word about EPA gas mileage ratings.
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You replied to my post where I said that manfacturers favored HP over torque in their advertising campaigns. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I never said anything about what YOU said. This whole debate stemmed from something that I said and that YOU started to debate with ME.
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You replied to my post where I said that manfacturers favored HP over torque in their advertising campaigns. I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I never said anything about what YOU said. This whole debate stemmed from something that I said and that YOU started to debate with ME.
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I think you have misunderstood me from the start and we are having two completely different debates. My argument has always been that very few people look at just the horsepower of a car. There are a lot of other features of cars that people look at. I never discussed anything about torque.
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Ford blew it big time on the 2010.
The Mustang is going to get killed street light to street light by Camaro's and Challengers.
Ford could've easily got 350HP from the 4.6.
The Shelby GT is putting out 320HP, so that's easy to achieve and then adding in some Ford Hot Rod Cams would give it an extra 30HP.
So there's your 350 horses.
I'd prefer that to dual climate control ANY DAY!
The Mustang is going to get killed street light to street light by Camaro's and Challengers.
Ford could've easily got 350HP from the 4.6.
The Shelby GT is putting out 320HP, so that's easy to achieve and then adding in some Ford Hot Rod Cams would give it an extra 30HP.
So there's your 350 horses.
I'd prefer that to dual climate control ANY DAY!
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No official numbers yet but the 422HP LS3 in the upcoming Camaro SS is going to have better MPG numbers than the current 05-09 GT!
If Ford gives the 5.0 stuff that the Camaro has like 6 speeds, direct injection, cylinder deactivation combined with a much lower vehicle weight I think a 400HP 5.0 can pull down some decent MPG numbers!
I really hope this motor is worth waiting for because I have no interest in the 10' GT at all! Back in 05' I was pumped about the 05' GT do you guys have that feeling too or is it just me?
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It was easy to get pumped about the '05 because it was a clean-sheet, complete departure from the '04. And very well done, for the most part.
The '10 is mostly cosmetic changes to an already great car. Much harder to get pumped over.
The style-conscious find much to debate between the '05-'09 and the '10 (as these forums have already proven), while the performance-oriented will see little incentive for the '10 (again, already proven in these forums). That leaves speculation on the Cobra & the '11 powertrains as the main arguing points for the performance-oriented folks.
Love it, hate it, or give it a ho-hum, but it seems that Ford has at least succeeded in sparking a lot of discussion about the car. Gotta love that...
The '10 is mostly cosmetic changes to an already great car. Much harder to get pumped over.
The style-conscious find much to debate between the '05-'09 and the '10 (as these forums have already proven), while the performance-oriented will see little incentive for the '10 (again, already proven in these forums). That leaves speculation on the Cobra & the '11 powertrains as the main arguing points for the performance-oriented folks.
Love it, hate it, or give it a ho-hum, but it seems that Ford has at least succeeded in sparking a lot of discussion about the car. Gotta love that...
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It was easy to get pumped about the '05 because it was a clean-sheet, complete departure from the '04. And very well done, for the most part.
The '10 is mostly cosmetic changes to an already great car. Much harder to get pumped over.
The style-conscious find much to debate between the '05-'09 and the '10 (as these forums have already proven), while the performance-oriented will see little incentive for the '10 (again, already proven in these forums). That leaves speculation on the Cobra & the '11 powertrains as the main arguing points for the performance-oriented folks.
Love it, hate it, or give it a ho-hum, but it seems that Ford has at least succeeded in sparking a lot of discussion about the car. Gotta love that...
The '10 is mostly cosmetic changes to an already great car. Much harder to get pumped over.
The style-conscious find much to debate between the '05-'09 and the '10 (as these forums have already proven), while the performance-oriented will see little incentive for the '10 (again, already proven in these forums). That leaves speculation on the Cobra & the '11 powertrains as the main arguing points for the performance-oriented folks.
Love it, hate it, or give it a ho-hum, but it seems that Ford has at least succeeded in sparking a lot of discussion about the car. Gotta love that...
What do you think guys? Am I way off base here or is there an element of truth?
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oh im sure of it as well, yes i tihnk it has. and the 2010 restyle needed to be EXCELLENT because every cent matters now
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I disagree, the Mustang is a fun car but it's not what keeps Ford in business (hence the reason why it has nearly been axed a few times). I think up until recently the F150 was the single most important vehicle in Ford's arsenal. Even today I think volume sales cars like the Fusion and Focus are more important to Ford's future than the Mustang.
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No you're not alone, but there are A LOT of people who are excited for the 2010. I know I LOVE THIS NEW MUSTANG. And you have more than zero interest in the '10 or you wouldn't be in here discussing it lol
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just look back at the last gen. GTO, its basically the same power, same weight, same chasis, same rear and the then 300 hp gt with 355 gears was only losing by what .1 to .2 in the quarter depending on tests??? so now we have the same with 15+ more HP and steeper gears. I do not think its going to be as lopsided as in the past pre-terminator. and the new body style will be enough alone to compete for sales until the 400+ hp 5.0 is in the car.
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...or the official weight....
... or the official price....
......or the official performance...
Ford didn't drop the ball.
The car is going to sell, and WILL OUTPERFORM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, but just because we want more HP doesn't mean it sucks...
If it comes with 315 and the Camaro with 422 it sucks....
if it comes with 350 and the camaro with 450 ... it sucks...
if it came with 400 and the camaro with 500...it sucks....
It's pretty obvious here its not the number it comes with that some people don't like, its how it compares to competition, and they'll feel like they have a small winky and a blow to the ego if god forbid it comes out with less HP.
People will just mod it anyway.
I want a 5.0L as much as the next guy, but I have better things to complain about... and do with my time.
If you REALLY want a 400hp 5.0L ... just wait the year for it to be tested properly and release in 2010.
Its not that long, and it won't kill you.
... or the official price....
......or the official performance...
Ford didn't drop the ball.
The car is going to sell, and WILL OUTPERFORM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, but just because we want more HP doesn't mean it sucks...
If it comes with 315 and the Camaro with 422 it sucks....
if it comes with 350 and the camaro with 450 ... it sucks...
if it came with 400 and the camaro with 500...it sucks....
It's pretty obvious here its not the number it comes with that some people don't like, its how it compares to competition, and they'll feel like they have a small winky and a blow to the ego if god forbid it comes out with less HP.
People will just mod it anyway.
I want a 5.0L as much as the next guy, but I have better things to complain about... and do with my time.
If you REALLY want a 400hp 5.0L ... just wait the year for it to be tested properly and release in 2010.
Its not that long, and it won't kill you.
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Here we go again with all the whiners and complainers 
. I just have one question for you guys, why do you keep coming in here? Its like we've all known you don't like the 2010 for a while now. Its the same arguments over and over (no irs, not enough power, blah blah blah). Get over it already. If you don't like it, thats fine, but the constant complaining/trolling is VERY annoying. Its like you saying you hate baskteball, yet you go to the games and complain about it 
.....Last time I checked, this was an enthusiasts forum
. I just have one question for you guys, why do you keep coming in here? Its like we've all known you don't like the 2010 for a while now. Its the same arguments over and over (no irs, not enough power, blah blah blah). Get over it already. If you don't like it, thats fine, but the constant complaining/trolling is VERY annoying. Its like you saying you hate baskteball, yet you go to the games and complain about it .....Last time I checked, this was an enthusiasts forum
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Well I just needed to get the Top Dawg of Mustangs. I got myself a brand new 08 GT500 that was still on the lot. Traded in my 08 Bullitt. Tough to see the Bullitt go, but the GT500 had everything I wanted- power, looks and it's a Shelby
