Here's how easy it would be to give the 2010 350HP
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I disagree, the Mustang is a fun car but it's not what keeps Ford in business (hence the reason why it has nearly been axed a few times). I think up until recently the F150 was the single most important vehicle in Ford's arsenal. Even today I think volume sales cars like the Fusion and Focus are more important to Ford's future than the Mustang.
Thank God that Ford actually listened to it's customers, whom were all against such a dumb idea, from the very start.
As for Mustang keeping Ford in business. IMHO, if it weren't for the huge success of the 05-09 models. Ford would more than likely, be declaring bankruptcy right now, if not sooner !
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On the other hand, although the 08-09 Bullitt, is rated at 315 HP. It doesn't require a gas guzzler tax, due to the fact that Bullitt can run on regular unleaded fuel.
That being said, HP numbers have absolutely nothing to do with gas guzzler taxes being applied. It's all determined on actual fuel economy standards, along with the type of fuel that's being used !
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Ford blew it big time on the 2010.
The Mustang is going to get killed street light to street light by Camaro's and Challengers.
Ford could've easily got 350HP from the 4.6.
The Shelby GT is putting out 320HP, so that's easy to achieve and then adding in some Ford Hot Rod Cams would give it an extra 30HP.
So there's your 350 horses.
I'd prefer that to dual climate control ANY DAY!
The Mustang is going to get killed street light to street light by Camaro's and Challengers.
Ford could've easily got 350HP from the 4.6.
The Shelby GT is putting out 320HP, so that's easy to achieve and then adding in some Ford Hot Rod Cams would give it an extra 30HP.
So there's your 350 horses.
I'd prefer that to dual climate control ANY DAY!
Yes, I am one of those guys waiting for the new 5.0L, but lets be fair about this. The Mustang GT is a fast car, and with an extra 15hp, it should be running 13.5-13.8's. A good driver could have this car down in the low 13's. 0-60 under 5 secs. NOT BAD!
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Give it time, every generation has thier favorite cars when they were growiing up. When cars like an LS6 Chevelle or big block Mach become the Dusenburgs at Pebble Beach, the cars alot of people grew up with will become the new classics. My list of must have 60's and 70's Muscle cars pales compared to the list of D3 Iron from the 80's to now.
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Congrads man, I'm sure you will forget that Bullitt in no time! I'm sure you made the right choice, if the 10' GT is any indication I don't see Ford going to crazy with the 10' GT500. For me, I'm going to wait it out and see the specs and price of the 10' GT500 and perhaps pick up a used 07-09 GT500 in the next year or two...... Hope you like the car man!
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Sorry, but I totally disagree. As Mustang was nearly axed just once in it's entire 45 year history. Which was in 1993, as the Probe was rumored to take Mustangs place.
Thank God that Ford actually listened to it's customers, whom were all against such a dumb idea, from the very start.
As for Mustang keeping Ford in business. IMHO, if it weren't for the huge success of the 05-09 models. Ford would more than likely, be declaring bankruptcy right now, if not sooner !
Thank God that Ford actually listened to it's customers, whom were all against such a dumb idea, from the very start.
As for Mustang keeping Ford in business. IMHO, if it weren't for the huge success of the 05-09 models. Ford would more than likely, be declaring bankruptcy right now, if not sooner !
As far as the 05' Mustang goes it hasn't helped much Ford was in trouble before 05' and have remained so. Sales of fleet vehicles like the F-150, Focus, Fusion, Taurus sell way more than the Mustang. Keep in mind after 06' Mustang numbers have tailed down big time. Swing by your local Ford dealership, you would be amazed how cheap you can pick up a new GT!
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Some of these folk are only here to see what the next Mustang is gonna be about. It's like if it isn't THEIR way, they start this getting old bash session. What some of them are failing to understand that as YOU say very well, this is an enthusiast MUSTANG forum and that nobody gives a rats a** about the horsepower deficit (me personally anyway). I like Mustangs period... Competition??? Yeah right!! What competition?? I think I believe it was Tampa Bear who said, "The only reason the Camaro and Challenger exsist IS the Mustang.
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Amen.
All cars can be had for a song today, most costumers can't even get financing (good thing we are borrowing a trillion dollars from China to give to the banks) even the Japanese cars are backing up on the lots and selling for low prices. This single indicator (car sales) of a severe global market downturn doesn't have anything to do with the Mustang, or even the car manufactures for that matter.
All cars can be had for a song today, most costumers can't even get financing (good thing we are borrowing a trillion dollars from China to give to the banks) even the Japanese cars are backing up on the lots and selling for low prices. This single indicator (car sales) of a severe global market downturn doesn't have anything to do with the Mustang, or even the car manufactures for that matter.
As far as the 05' Mustang goes it hasn't helped much Ford was in trouble before 05' and have remained so. Sales of fleet vehicles like the F-150, Focus, Fusion, Taurus sell way more than the Mustang. Keep in mind after 06' Mustang numbers have tailed down big time. Swing by your local Ford dealership, you would be amazed how cheap you can pick up a new GT!
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I guess guys like you must have been the ones buying Mustang IIs! I'm sorry, but Ford let down a huge number of guys like me ( I do give a rats *** about horsepower) when they decided to revamp the Mustang and give it 15HP!?! I feel I have every right to criticize Ford's decision in making the 10 GT inferior to it's competition because I am a customer. I have bought and owned 4 Mustangs and other Fords. As a Ford customer I expect a car that can deliver at a low price. The gap in power between the Mustang and Camaro is far wider than the gap in price. Though I am not a fan of the Camaro you would be foolish to think it isn't a bargain for the money you pay for it... thus making it a true competitor.
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I'm not sure about specifics but I think it was earlier than 93' I think the purpose of the Probe was to be the next gen Mustang. Thank God they scrapped that idea.
As far as the 05' Mustang goes it hasn't helped much Ford was in trouble before 05' and have remained so. Sales of fleet vehicles like the F-150, Focus, Fusion, Taurus sell way more than the Mustang. Keep in mind after 06' Mustang numbers have tailed down big time. Swing by your local Ford dealership, you would be amazed how cheap you can pick up a new GT!
As far as the 05' Mustang goes it hasn't helped much Ford was in trouble before 05' and have remained so. Sales of fleet vehicles like the F-150, Focus, Fusion, Taurus sell way more than the Mustang. Keep in mind after 06' Mustang numbers have tailed down big time. Swing by your local Ford dealership, you would be amazed how cheap you can pick up a new GT!
Btw, Ford was not in trouble before 05'. It wasn't until after 06-07, when they began losing money due to poor sales. And despite remaining in trouble, Ford is actually doing better than both GM, and Chrysler !
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That is NOT the reason at all. The reason why the Shelby GT. has a gas guzzler tax, is because it requires premium unleaded fuel, just as the GT500, and Challenger SRT8.
On the other hand, although the 08-09 Bullitt, is rated at 315 HP. It doesn't require a gas guzzler tax, due to the fact that Bullitt can run on regular unleaded fuel.
That being said, HP numbers have absolutely nothing to do with gas guzzler taxes being applied. It's all determined on actual fuel economy standards, along with the type of fuel that's being used !
On the other hand, although the 08-09 Bullitt, is rated at 315 HP. It doesn't require a gas guzzler tax, due to the fact that Bullitt can run on regular unleaded fuel.
That being said, HP numbers have absolutely nothing to do with gas guzzler taxes being applied. It's all determined on actual fuel economy standards, along with the type of fuel that's being used !
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/info.shtml#guzzler
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That is NOT the reason at all. The reason why the Shelby GT. has a gas guzzler tax, is because it requires premium unleaded fuel, just as the GT500, and Challenger SRT8.
On the other hand, although the 08-09 Bullitt, is rated at 315 HP. It doesn't require a gas guzzler tax, due to the fact that Bullitt can run on regular unleaded fuel.
That being said, HP numbers have absolutely nothing to do with gas guzzler taxes being applied. It's all determined on actual fuel economy standards, along with the type of fuel that's being used !
On the other hand, although the 08-09 Bullitt, is rated at 315 HP. It doesn't require a gas guzzler tax, due to the fact that Bullitt can run on regular unleaded fuel.
That being said, HP numbers have absolutely nothing to do with gas guzzler taxes being applied. It's all determined on actual fuel economy standards, along with the type of fuel that's being used !
How Much is the Gas Guzzler Tax? Vehicles that get at least 22.5 mpg (combined) don't have to pay the Gas Guzzler Tax. The Tax rate goes from $1,000 for vehicles that get at least 21.5 mpg (combined), but less than 22.5 mpg (combined) all the way up to $7,700 for vehicles that get less than 12.5 mpg (combined).
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This shelby had it, because i wanted it really bad and the dealer wanted to get rid of it really bad, but i just refused to pay the government for some stupid tax. (plus it was a little more than i wanted to spend)
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Trust me a 500HP Camaro isn't very far behind. This year's SEMA show already showcased a Camaro with the Zo6's 505HP 7.0. The point I was trying to make is that an SS Camaro priced about the same as a Mustang GT has a lot more power and is closer to the ranks of the SRT8 Challenger and GT500 for 10-15k cheaper than it is with the GT! Don't be surprised if the SS gives your GT500 a run for it's money.
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Amen.
All cars can be had for a song today, most costumers can't even get financing (good thing we are borrowing a trillion dollars from China to give to the banks) even the Japanese cars are backing up on the lots and selling for low prices. This single indicator (car sales) of a severe global market downturn doesn't have anything to do with the Mustang, or even the car manufactures for that matter.
All cars can be had for a song today, most costumers can't even get financing (good thing we are borrowing a trillion dollars from China to give to the banks) even the Japanese cars are backing up on the lots and selling for low prices. This single indicator (car sales) of a severe global market downturn doesn't have anything to do with the Mustang, or even the car manufactures for that matter.
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