replace Ford in your last sentence with Big 3 and i'll agree. it seems Ford gets most of the heat for being a poorly run company but the truth is GM and Chrysler are much more so and suffer the same, if not more, overhead and legacy cost issues

 

Sure, HP does matter to some people. But the Mustang outsells its competition even when it lacks their levels of HP. So if everyone really wants Ford to up the Mustang's HP, then stop buying them!!!

 

I'm pretty sure most of us were expecting at least 330HP. And I don't think that's being unreasonable.
315HP shows that Ford didn't even bother.

 

Well just because we're not like you- and drop to our knees to gobble up whatever Ford gives us- doesn't mean we can't express our opinions.
I bought an 05GT and then bought an 08 Bullitt. I think I've got a right to speak my mind about this car. If you don't like it- don't read my posts, or others who share a similar opinion to mine.

 

There's some buyers out there too that will take the Mustang over the competition because it has less power. They might say "well 315hp is more than enough for me" or "a 422hp Camaro is cool, but I really don't trust the wife/kids with that much power, 315hp Mustang is just right."

 

if this car is based off the bullit, remember what that did to the chally? it kicked its huge butt


and another thing, how many sales of mustangs end up being v6s? TONS

 

but i do think they could have put the mach 1 moto in there and tweaked it with the DOHC and some basic tweaking, they could have had 330 no problem

 

I dont think he was trying to single you out specifically. There are some members here who never have anything good to say, hence the trolling comment. If you dont believe me, go to their profile and read their most recent posts and you will see.

 

AS you know the Mustang has been the only game in town for the last 7 or so years so now the game has changed. I consider the Camaro a major player. Lets see what happens now that they have some competition. I expect sales to tank. I want to be wrong believe me but what Ford is putting out now a days engine wise in Mustangs and F150's leave a lot to be desired. Ford is going to have to sell price for 2010. Just my opinion of course but I would not even consider one right now. They are a non factor to me. I can live without a lot of things but being over 100 hp behind is not one of them.

 

Oh I know he wasn't talking about me specifically.

I know stuff like this gets debated or argued quite heatedly.
I went through this stuff big time with the Bullitt- lot's of negatives posted about it.
There is no doubt that the 2010 has been upgraded in a great many ways. And perhaps it's just Mustang fatique on my part- 5 years of the s197, and so in some ways the 2010 is sort of old news.

I'm sure everyone getting a 2010 is going to love their car and love driving it! And so I congratulate them on the upcoming purchase.

 

IIRC, the Bullitt was just barely beaten by the Challenger SRT8, which is a GT500 competitor anyway (and the Shelby could beat it handily). I have a feeling that the Mustang will do just fine up against the Camaro and it's proper Dodge competitor, the R/T Challenger, for 2010.

And if everything goes according to plan, 2011 should be a blowout.

 

 

Everyone here shouldn't be upset they didn't offer more in the 4.6. It doesn't make sense to alter an engine that only has one year left. It would have been wasteful money. So, I feel that it was a good move not to alter it.

They should be upset that the 5.0 wasn't ready for the redesign. It was a HUGE mistake not making sure the 5.0 and the 3.5 were ready for 2010. That is the real debacle ford has made here, and I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

 

That is what has me a little concerned. The camaro V6 is way ahead of the V6 mustangs in performance. However, How many customers who purchase a V6 mustang are looking for performance? I feel that the extra tech in the mustang wll keep it alive in the V6 market.

By the way I own a V6. I got it when I turned 16. It was more about just owning a mustang for me, and the GT was out of my price range. Insurance premiums were rediculous for me then too on a GT.

 

EXACTLY its about OWNING a mustang,not everybody is concerned with the fastness, and on top of that, the aftermarket world for mustangs is huge and it would be easy to make it kick some booty

 

Yes, it is about OWNING a mustang. However, their is a huge customer base that don't feel the same way. It is those customers I am concerned about loosing, and not just loosing them to GM, but 300HP V6 genesis coupes, 370Z, and so on. Customers lost to these very well equiped coupes worry me.

 

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No they shouldn't, they should be thankful that it isn't until 2012-2014.
Don't confuse me with a chearleader here ...look at the timelines.
If everyone REALLY knew what goes on behind closed doors.....

Think about it this way...
Think about when the Hurricane/Boss engine was said to be in developement,
through its 1st cancellation, through its 2nd life of developement.... to now.... which is delayed (as noted in the Raptor information)

Now..
Think about around the time the 5.0 began life.

The unfortunate reality behind the scenes... things take time, and the end result is we are getting a kick*** engine in a relatively short period of time (all things considered)

 

Well I guess I'm the other guy besides whammer who is getting some heat for my opinions of the car. I'm not trying to annoy or bother people but I'm speaking my mind. It seems many of you use the "***** envy" or "HP number doesn't matter" but this is a performance car, this is what it is supposed to do! What baffles me is that Ford couldn't get the new 5.0 and 3.5 into the Mustang on time! The 5.0 should have been a top priority for Ford considering that the Mustang is not only a popular model but also the flagship of the company. The Mustang looking bad makes all of Ford look bad in my opinion. Why is the new 10' Fusion getting the new 3.5, and 6 speed trannys while the performance model Mustang gets carry over stuff?

I agree with some of the others that the 10' Mustang is going to have a tough road ahead of it as far as sales go. Hear me out before you dismiss me here.

OK, very important is the fact that the Mustang has two very similar domestic rivals that offer much more power and tech like IRS and 6 speeds. Not only will Ford have to compete with domestics but also a surprising number of powerful RWD Japanese coupes entering the market. While the Camaro and Challenger are all new, the 10' Mustang is not a huge departure from the 05-09 model. Maybe it's just my personal opinion but It seems the majority of us on the forums "like" the new Mustang but are not "star struck" by it like we were with the 05' model. I showed several people pics of the new car and I got to say a whopping majority liked the current model more, hope my sample is wrong for Ford's sake.

In conclusion don't let my opinions keep you from buying this car. Even if some feel it is less attractive that the current car it is without a doubt a better overall car. The point I am trying to make is that Ford may have lost Mustang fans like me that want a comparable car. I may wait for 11' or just purchase a used GT500 (which Ford already made money on). Perhaps we make up a small percentage of Mustang sales but guys like me are the ones who pay extra money for higher content cars like the Cobra or Mach1 models....... just my .02

 

turn your TV to CSPAN, at this minute they're covering the Big 3 asking Congress for money. One of the things all 3 said they need the money for: getting/keeping product development up to speed. Even if they could get it out faster without defects; they couldn't afford to rush the 5L, not without sacrificing somewhere else.