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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 06:40 AM
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its sad because of what Ford did to it lol.. I would be too lol
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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but if its a home run.. even with a refresh... it would still be close to what happened in 05. But it ain't happening.. I don't think any Mustang body style did in recent times (or will even do again)what happened in 05..
What exactly did the all-holy '05 do that the '94 or '99 didn't do? The buzz around the '94 was just as hot as the '05,i should know,i was 16 at the time,the '05 is just fresher in our minds. I love the '05-09,but i swear some of you guys act like Mustangs didn't exist before this model. The '00 sold 218,000 and the '94 won numerous car of the year awards,including MTCOTY,i didn't see the '05 do either.
The '05-09 is a much better car as a whole than the '99-04,without question,but it wasn't the Mustang savior that it is made out to be,the Mustang was doing just fine up until '04.
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by topbliss
its sad because of what Ford did to it lol.. I would be too lol

Not to me. Before all you Loyal 05-09 Owners Blast Me, cause I Just Know You Will, I do still love the 05-09's a lot, but Only a Few like the GT-500, and California Specials. To me the 05-09's in general look sad and pudgy to me now, every time I see one. With those Big, Droopy, Half Full, Headlight Buckets that look like Pitiful Doe Eyes. Tall, Featureless Hood. Upright, Square Grill, and the GT's awkward Lower Body Skirting Transitioning into those Big Overblown Fender Flares, that would look Big even on a Ranger, and last but not least those Huge Red Rectangles out back, that lack definition or real character.

I never really looked at the 05-09's like this until I saw the 2010. Yeah, I had some issues with the 05-09's when they came out, but I Loved them just the same. But other things had just started to annoy me over the years, such as the headlights and tail lights looking to big.

I'm not saying the 05-09's are by any means ugly, as so many of you are so quick to call the 2010, which I for one take a bit of personal offense to, even though I don't even own one yet. They just look old to me now. They had already started to before I saw the 2010's. Seeing them just accelerated the aging process in my eyes.

For me this change is like what Ford did to the Thunderbird when it replaced the 83-86, original Aero T-Birds, with the 87-88's. I Love both cars for different reasons, but I'd take an 87-88 Turbo Coupe over an 83-86 any day because Ford Improved on an already good thing and made it even better.

I Love the 05-09 Mustangs because they marked the return to the Classic Mustang Formula for the first time in over 20 years, but just like the classics, I do not care for the 64 1/2-66's, with the sole exception being the 2+2 Fastbacks. I prefer the 67, 69, and 71-72's over any of the first Mustangs because to me Ford just kept on improving the design over the years. Just as, in My Opinion, Ford has Improved on an already Good Thing yet again with the 2010 Mustang.
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Old Dec 28, 2008 | 09:42 AM
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What exactly did the all-holy '05 do that the '94 or '99 didn't do? The buzz around the '94 was just as hot as the '05,i should know,i was 16 at the time,the '05 is just fresher in our minds. I love the '05-09,but i swear some of you guys act like Mustangs didn't exist before this model. The '00 sold 218,000 and the '94 won numerous car of the year awards,including MTCOTY,i didn't see the '05 do either.
The '05-09 is a much better car as a whole than the '99-04,without question,but it wasn't the Mustang savior that it is made out to be,the Mustang was doing just fine up until '04.

It's true the buzz was very exciting in 1994 when the new Mustang came out. I was caught up in all of it. After 14 years of the Mustang being burdened with an outdated boxy sedan-like bodystyle which was more appropriate for an updated Pinto, I was excited to see the Mustang return to a sexy more exotic shape that combined modern Ford styling DNA with a few recognizable classic design cues. For many years I had a preference for the styling of Camaros and Firebirds because they were sexy and Ferrarri-like with a modern fighter jet appeal. During that entire time though, I longed for the character of the 1965-73 Mustangs and hoped that eventually the Mustang would return to a configration that looked like an evolution of the original designs, the same way that the Camaro and Firebird stayed on course and evolved from generation to generation.

Anyway, I was so excited I traded in my 1992 Firebird (which I originally wanted to replace with the newer 1994 bodystyle) for a 1994 Mustang Convertible. I got caught up in the buzz like it was April 1964 all over again.

As for the 2005 model, it was not so much a big buzz for me as much as it was an expected change. As the 1994 Mustang redesign kept evolving it continued to aquire more replications of classic Mustang design details up to the point of including classic performance packages and nameplates and even replicate wheel designs.

I was interested in the 2005 Mustang but not so much excited. At that time I had no expectations of ever owning a new car again much less a new Mustang and my focus was just on having dependable transportation while I worked to keep a roof over my head.

After a few years of working so hard I found myself in a place that I could reward myself. I really longed for a car with classic character like a Thunderbird, Mustang or even an early 70's Torino fastback. I also got very nostalgic for my first car the 76 Cobra II. The perfect answer for me was the new Mustang which is the modern representation of all the great Fords of the past in one completely up to date modern package.

So now it is natural for the Mustang to evolve and freshen... For me the changes to the 2010 are 90% excellent although it seems I will never warm up to the mutant rear end and a few other minute clumsy details. For me though it is impractical to persue the newest bodystyle update just for the sake of having the latest greatest thing.

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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And just think, as soon as the 50th anniversary edition arrives in 2014-15. Will all be saying how old and outdated the 2010+ Mustangs will appear to look then.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 05:34 AM
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Well......if retro styling is still in fashion come 2014, and I hope it is, then my wish would be for Ford to simply make a modern interpretation of the '69 Sportsroof.......just as Dodge did with the Challenger.

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
And just think, as soon as the 50th anniversary edition arrives in 2014-15. Will all be saying how old and outdated the 2010+ Mustangs will appear to look then.

I'm sure by then It will look old and dated, and I hope I love, and am as passionate, about that design. As long as Ford continues to stick with an evolutionary design like they did with the 2010, I have no doubts or fears.


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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
Well......if retro styling is still in fashion come 2014, and I hope it is, then my wish would be for Ford to simply make a modern interpretation of the '69 Sportsroof.......just as Dodge did with the Challenger.


I think you kind of lost me there, as the Challenger does not have a sportsroof/fastback type roof panel.


On the other hand, I would like for Ford to make a modern interpretation of the 67-68 fastback greenhouse. Providing of course, that retro styling is still in fashion by 2014-15
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaBear67
I'm sure by then It will look old and dated, and I hope I love, and am as passionate, about that design. As long as Ford continues to stick with an evolutionary design like they did with the 2010, I have no doubts or fears.



We can only hope that Ford does indeed continue to stick with it's evolutionary design formula like they did with the 2010, but I fear Ford will more than likely end up going more modern, and less retro once Mustang launches upon the all new GRWD platform in 2014

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
I think you kind of lost me there, as the Challenger does not have a sportsroof/fastback type roof panel.


On the other hand, I would like for Ford to make a modern interpretation of the 67-68 fastback greenhouse. Providing of course, that retro styling is still in fashion by 2014-15

I'm referring to the fact that the Challenger is a modern facsimile of the '70 version. The new Camaro is a very modern take on the '68 Camaro whilst the S197 took inspiration from a number of Mustang models.

I'd like the next Mustang to be a facsimile of the 1969 Mustang (sorry, the sportsroof comment was just to be clear I didn't want it to be the coupe/Grande version).

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
We can only hope that Ford does indeed continue to stick with it's evolutionary design formula like they did with the 2010, but I fear Ford will more than likely end up going more modern, and less retro once Mustang launches upon the all new GRWD platform in 2014

I think they can still go Modern and Keep the Traditional Mustang styling cues and formula. I do think it will be smaller and lighter than the S197 platform though, at least that's what I have in mind for the next generation.
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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Twin Turbo
I'm referring to the fact that the Challenger is a modern facsimile of the '70 version. The new Camaro is a very modern take on the '68 Camaro whilst the S197 took inspiration from a number of Mustang models.

I'd like the next Mustang to be a facsimile of the 1969 Mustang (sorry, the sportsroof comment was just to be clear I didn't want it to be the coupe/Grande version).

I pretty much understood what you were referring to, until you had placed the....just as Dodge did with the Challenger comment after sportsroof

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TampaBear67

I think they can still go Modern and Keep the Traditional Mustang styling cues and formula. I do think it will be smaller and lighter than the S197 platform though, at least that's what I have in mind for the next generation.
IMHO, it's going to have to be smaller and lighter. In order to comply with CAFE regulations

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Old Dec 31, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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I'll take the top half of the 2010 and the bottom half of the current car.

I agree. The 2010 rear is nice and contemporary, but the black trim cheapens the look.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
IMHO, it's going to have to be smaller and lighter. In order to comply with CAFE regulations
I agree. I would like ford to reverse it's 2010 design philosophy of a big car that looks smaller, and see them do a smaller car that has the appearance of being bigger. The overall height of the current model has gotten out of control IMHO. and the rear trunk deck height is definitely way too high for a sport coupe.

I think we will see an overall decrease in size as well as a flattening in design away from the California rake to improve overall drag. Downforce on the GT and base model will be sacrificed for drag coefficients that net them better gas mileage. Since the true fastback is closer to a perfect aero shape we may even see a return of the fastback or sportroof. Uppermodels and SE's may incorporate various changes to improve downforce for high performance.
But my crystal ball was cracked last week when my wife threw it at me, so what do I know.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jarradasay
I agree. I would like ford to reverse it's 2010 design philosophy of a big car that looks smaller, and see them do a smaller car that has the appearance of being bigger. The overall height of the current model has gotten out of control IMHO. and the rear trunk deck height is definitely way too high for a sport coupe.

I think we will see an overall decrease in size as well as a flattening in design away from the California rake to improve overall drag. Downforce on the GT and base model will be sacrificed for drag coefficients that net them better gas mileage. Since the true fastback is closer to a perfect aero shape we may even see a return of the fastback or sportroof. Uppermodels and SE's may incorporate various changes to improve downforce for high performance.
But my crystal ball was cracked last week when my wife threw it at me, so what do I know.
I sure hope that your right about a return to the full fastback or sportsroof, for that would indeed be a dream come true. As the 67-68 fastback, has always been my favorite Mustang of all time.

In the meantime, I'll be holding onto my current 2005 GT. until Mustang arrives on the all new GRWD platform, in 2014. And if we don't see a return of the full fastback by then, I'm afraid to say that more than likely, we probably never will.

So let's just hope that my crystal ball, is cracked as well.
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Old Jan 5, 2009 | 08:35 PM
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I searched and searched to find a full on frontal pic at the same angle as the 2010 to do this, this is the best I could find, unfortunately I had to really enlarge the 06 to match the 2010, so it's kinda grainy but you get the idea.


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Old Jan 6, 2009 | 08:55 AM
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Having looked at the '10 and '05-09 for weeks now,i'll say that the '05-09 is the prettier,purer car of the two styles and the '10 is the more agressive,cooler looking. I really love the new look,rear and all,but you really can't go wrong with either. I was expecting to start disliking the '05-09 like i did with the C5 after the C6 debuted,but it's still a looker,with the right wheels of course. I hate the current base V8 wheels,Ford should be ashamed.
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Old Jan 8, 2009 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KatarHol
Having looked at the '10 and '05-09 for weeks now,I'll say that the '05-09 is the prettier,purer car of the two styles and the '10 is the more aggressive,cooler looking. I really love the new look,rear and all,but you really can't go wrong with either...
I completely agree!
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