5.0 is Back: 2011 GT Leads Class With 412 HP, Fuel Efficiency, Chassis Dynamics
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On the other hand, as it seems lately, Ford has been giving us more power from the factory, and reducing some of the gains that we see from aftermarket parts (see an aftermarket CAI system on the Bullitt/2010 vs. a 2005-09 GT gains) and throwing a warranty behind it. Now with the 5.0 we get a better flowing header setup, which I think is a great thing. If it works that well, then I can throw the money somewhere else on the car.
It does sound like this motor will take well to the boost, but we'll see later this year (SEMA 2010 I'd guess) when all the parts are out and people start getting on the dynos to prove the power.
Does anyone have the gear ratios for the 6-speed manual yet? I've read via searches here that it's rumored to be the MT82, with a 1:1 5th gear (single overdrive 6th). Any more info floating about yet?
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TRANSMISSION
Standard 6-speed manual
Gear ratios
Standard 6-speed manual
Gear ratios
1
st 3.66
2nd 2.43
3rd 1.69
4th 1.32
5th 1.00
6th 0.65
Final drive 3.31:1
The specs for the tranny are on the pdf file spec sheet from Ford that has been linked to here a few times. I downloaded it but don't have the link saved.
2nd 2.43
3rd 1.69
4th 1.32
5th 1.00
6th 0.65
Final drive 3.31:1
The specs for the tranny are on the pdf file spec sheet from Ford that has been linked to here a few times. I downloaded it but don't have the link saved.
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Think Vanilla Ice will try and make another comeback since the 5.0 has resurfaced?
Awesome job Ford! This is the kind of 'bold move' I have been waiting for!
See Jeff (05FordGT) I still gave Ford a chance.
Awesome job Ford! This is the kind of 'bold move' I have been waiting for!
See Jeff (05FordGT) I still gave Ford a chance.
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Trust me, I'm feeling that right now (see current car in sig). DI has promise, but it still is going to need more time to unlock the true power of it. I think that in a GT500/Cobra variant with a turbo/twin turbo setup, it would be viable. I just don't see it in the mainstream GT until 2014 and they have to slowly raise the CAFE standards a bit more.
On the other hand, as it seems lately, Ford has been giving us more power from the factory, and reducing some of the gains that we see from aftermarket parts (see an aftermarket CAI system on the Bullitt/2010 vs. a 2005-09 GT gains) and throwing a warranty behind it. Now with the 5.0 we get a better flowing header setup, which I think is a great thing. If it works that well, then I can throw the money somewhere else on the car.
It does sound like this motor will take well to the boost, but we'll see later this year (SEMA 2010 I'd guess) when all the parts are out and people start getting on the dynos to prove the power.
On the other hand, as it seems lately, Ford has been giving us more power from the factory, and reducing some of the gains that we see from aftermarket parts (see an aftermarket CAI system on the Bullitt/2010 vs. a 2005-09 GT gains) and throwing a warranty behind it. Now with the 5.0 we get a better flowing header setup, which I think is a great thing. If it works that well, then I can throw the money somewhere else on the car.
It does sound like this motor will take well to the boost, but we'll see later this year (SEMA 2010 I'd guess) when all the parts are out and people start getting on the dynos to prove the power.
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Well, after the Autoblog post, we won't see at TT 5.0 in the Cobra, but most likely a S/Ced one after the 5.4 runs its course. That doesn't mean that the DI won't come in conjunction with it, so you might still get both. I'd imagine that DI+blower+high compression will still give good power numbers.
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Gentlemen, I offer this pronouncement:
The 2011 5.0L Mustang GT: Everyman's 2000 Cobra R.
Actually, this is true--and not just because it was pronounced by Eights the Great. The superior chassis of the 2011 combined with a 412 HP naturally-aspirated quadcammer at the price of a 2011 Mustang GT.
Can it get much better than this?
Greg "Hell yes I like it" Ates
The 2011 5.0L Mustang GT: Everyman's 2000 Cobra R.
Actually, this is true--and not just because it was pronounced by Eights the Great. The superior chassis of the 2011 combined with a 412 HP naturally-aspirated quadcammer at the price of a 2011 Mustang GT.
Can it get much better than this?
Greg "Hell yes I like it" Ates
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Gentlemen, I offer this pronouncement:
The 2011 5.0L Mustang GT: Everyman's 2000 Cobra R.
Actually, this is true--and not just because it was pronounced by Eights the Great. The superior chassis of the 2011 combined with a 412 HP naturally-aspirated quadcammer at the price of a 2011 Mustang GT.
Can it get much better than this?
Greg "Hell yes I like it" Ates
The 2011 5.0L Mustang GT: Everyman's 2000 Cobra R.
Actually, this is true--and not just because it was pronounced by Eights the Great. The superior chassis of the 2011 combined with a 412 HP naturally-aspirated quadcammer at the price of a 2011 Mustang GT.
Can it get much better than this?
Greg "Hell yes I like it" Ates
HP can change the view of even its greatest critics. The A** end dont look that bad now does it?
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Well, after the Autoblog post, we won't see at TT 5.0 in the Cobra, but most likely a S/Ced one after the 5.4 runs its course. That doesn't mean that the DI won't come in conjunction with it, so you might still get both. I'd imagine that DI+blower+high compression will still give good power numbers.
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Yeah I did, and it's still possible. I don't know what the future holds right now, but they know they'll have to go DI in the near future. I'm saying that it probably won't be added by itself, but with the blower in the future (on the next GT500/Cobra) and just the DI itself on the GT motor.
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Who cares about DI at this point, I'm just happy to get the 5.0!
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I feel the same about the 2011 Mustang GT: She ain't as luscious as her older sister, but she puts out long and hard in all her openings so I choose to be beneficent. I am such a great guy!
****, I love me! Oh, and the quadcam Ti-VCT 5.0L V8!
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Saw both the new 3.7 and 5.0 motors at the DC Autoshow last night. Just from eyeballing them, they both look like very good engines and significant (huge in the case of the 3.7) advancements over their '10 predecessors.
Both, in concept and in execution, do look like they share very similar design approaches with the 5.0 being nearly, though not exactly, a +2 cylinder version of the 3.7. While some may whine about the plastic intake manifolds, I think they're great -- lightweight, little heat sink and glossy interior passages.
These mills should keep the Stang fresh and competitive until the next redesign and beyond.
Negatives -- rear end is still the lumpiest, bumpiest and plumpest of the three pony cars -- just way too much going on. That diaper needs changing.
Autoshow side notes:
6.2 motor: Had one of these sliced up sitting around. Really does look like much more of a truck motor than the 3.7 and 5.0 mills, which it is. While some may hanker for it simply by dint of bigger jugs, I think the '11 Stang motors will be far more exciting drives.
PowerStroke engine: Some really funky design aspects including:
SVT Raptor: Looked real cook with a well done aggressive grill. Massive shocks look like they cost most of the added pricing alone.
Fiesta: Ford's gotta winner here, proof again that an econobox need not be a penalty box. Hatch looks a lot better than the 4-door, even in tropical lizard green.
Focus: New Focus is a stunner compared to the aged toad the current Focus has become. Hope Ford creates SVT versions of both the Focus and Fiesta.
Camaro: While the interior design/quality was better than I expected, you really are plopped deep down in some gun bunker when sitting in it. Lowering the belt line 2 inches and raising the roof line an inch would greatly ameliorate the cave like ambiance of the interior and allow you to see more than 3 degrees above and below the horizon line.
Challenger: Great big beast (I feel like I'm physically shrinking when I walk up to one) with a less than scintillating interior design, but by far the best styled exterior of the pony cars and somehow very comforting and familiar. Somehow I think an SRT8 would be the best of the three for doing an extended cross country jaunt. Trunk could hold more than a couple of bodies too. If the next gen shrinks 10-15% in size and weight and perks up the interior design while keeping the classic exterior design and all that Hemi goodness, Dodge will really have a winner. Hope the current version sells well enough to make that possible.
Both, in concept and in execution, do look like they share very similar design approaches with the 5.0 being nearly, though not exactly, a +2 cylinder version of the 3.7. While some may whine about the plastic intake manifolds, I think they're great -- lightweight, little heat sink and glossy interior passages.
These mills should keep the Stang fresh and competitive until the next redesign and beyond.
Negatives -- rear end is still the lumpiest, bumpiest and plumpest of the three pony cars -- just way too much going on. That diaper needs changing.
Autoshow side notes:
6.2 motor: Had one of these sliced up sitting around. Really does look like much more of a truck motor than the 3.7 and 5.0 mills, which it is. While some may hanker for it simply by dint of bigger jugs, I think the '11 Stang motors will be far more exciting drives.
PowerStroke engine: Some really funky design aspects including:
- Exhaust inside the V, intakes from the outside
- Crazy 4V push rod valve train with the valves positions rotated maybe 30 degree from normal.
- Weird split on the big end of the rods (not perpendicular to the main rod axis)
- Just a big, beefy lump of motor, would look at home powering an Amtrak train.
SVT Raptor: Looked real cook with a well done aggressive grill. Massive shocks look like they cost most of the added pricing alone.
Fiesta: Ford's gotta winner here, proof again that an econobox need not be a penalty box. Hatch looks a lot better than the 4-door, even in tropical lizard green.
Focus: New Focus is a stunner compared to the aged toad the current Focus has become. Hope Ford creates SVT versions of both the Focus and Fiesta.
Camaro: While the interior design/quality was better than I expected, you really are plopped deep down in some gun bunker when sitting in it. Lowering the belt line 2 inches and raising the roof line an inch would greatly ameliorate the cave like ambiance of the interior and allow you to see more than 3 degrees above and below the horizon line.
Challenger: Great big beast (I feel like I'm physically shrinking when I walk up to one) with a less than scintillating interior design, but by far the best styled exterior of the pony cars and somehow very comforting and familiar. Somehow I think an SRT8 would be the best of the three for doing an extended cross country jaunt. Trunk could hold more than a couple of bodies too. If the next gen shrinks 10-15% in size and weight and perks up the interior design while keeping the classic exterior design and all that Hemi goodness, Dodge will really have a winner. Hope the current version sells well enough to make that possible.
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Saw both the new 3.7 and 5.0 motors at the DC Autoshow last night. Just from eyeballing them, they both look like very good engines and significant (huge in the case of the 3.7) advancements over their '10 predecessors.
Both, in concept and in execution, do look like they share very similar design approaches with the 5.0 being nearly, though not exactly, a +2 cylinder version of the 3.7. While some may whine about the plastic intake manifolds, I think they're great -- lightweight, little heat sink and glossy interior passages.
These mills should keep the Stang fresh and competitive until the next redesign and beyond.
Negatives -- rear end is still the lumpiest, bumpiest and plumpest of the three pony cars -- just way too much going on. That diaper needs changing.
Autoshow side notes:
6.2 motor: Had one of these sliced up sitting around. Really does look like much more of a truck motor than the 3.7 and 5.0 mills, which it is. While some may hanker for it simply by dint of bigger jugs, I think the '11 Stang motors will be far more exciting drives.
PowerStroke engine: Some really funky design aspects including:
SVT Raptor: Looked real cook with a well done aggressive grill. Massive shocks look like they cost most of the added pricing alone.
Fiesta: Ford's gotta winner here, proof again that an econobox need not be a penalty box. Hatch looks a lot better than the 4-door, even in tropical lizard green.
Focus: New Focus is a stunner compared to the aged toad the current Focus has become. Hope Ford creates SVT versions of both the Focus and Fiesta.
Camaro: While the interior design/quality was better than I expected, you really are plopped deep down in some gun bunker when sitting in it. Lowering the belt line 2 inches and raising the roof line an inch would greatly ameliorate the cave like ambiance of the interior and allow you to see more than 3 degrees above and below the horizon line.
Challenger: Great big beast (I feel like I'm physically shrinking when I walk up to one) with a less than scintillating interior design, but by far the best styled exterior of the pony cars and somehow very comforting and familiar. Somehow I think an SRT8 would be the best of the three for doing an extended cross country jaunt. Trunk could hold more than a couple of bodies too. If the next gen shrinks 10-15% in size and weight and perks up the interior design while keeping the classic exterior design and all that Hemi goodness, Dodge will really have a winner. Hope the current version sells well enough to make that possible.
Both, in concept and in execution, do look like they share very similar design approaches with the 5.0 being nearly, though not exactly, a +2 cylinder version of the 3.7. While some may whine about the plastic intake manifolds, I think they're great -- lightweight, little heat sink and glossy interior passages.
These mills should keep the Stang fresh and competitive until the next redesign and beyond.
Negatives -- rear end is still the lumpiest, bumpiest and plumpest of the three pony cars -- just way too much going on. That diaper needs changing.
Autoshow side notes:
6.2 motor: Had one of these sliced up sitting around. Really does look like much more of a truck motor than the 3.7 and 5.0 mills, which it is. While some may hanker for it simply by dint of bigger jugs, I think the '11 Stang motors will be far more exciting drives.
PowerStroke engine: Some really funky design aspects including:
- Exhaust inside the V, intakes from the outside
- Crazy 4V push rod valve train with the valves positions rotated maybe 30 degree from normal.
- Weird split on the big end of the rods (not perpendicular to the main rod axis)
- Just a big, beefy lump of motor, would look at home powering an Amtrak train.
SVT Raptor: Looked real cook with a well done aggressive grill. Massive shocks look like they cost most of the added pricing alone.
Fiesta: Ford's gotta winner here, proof again that an econobox need not be a penalty box. Hatch looks a lot better than the 4-door, even in tropical lizard green.
Focus: New Focus is a stunner compared to the aged toad the current Focus has become. Hope Ford creates SVT versions of both the Focus and Fiesta.
Camaro: While the interior design/quality was better than I expected, you really are plopped deep down in some gun bunker when sitting in it. Lowering the belt line 2 inches and raising the roof line an inch would greatly ameliorate the cave like ambiance of the interior and allow you to see more than 3 degrees above and below the horizon line.
Challenger: Great big beast (I feel like I'm physically shrinking when I walk up to one) with a less than scintillating interior design, but by far the best styled exterior of the pony cars and somehow very comforting and familiar. Somehow I think an SRT8 would be the best of the three for doing an extended cross country jaunt. Trunk could hold more than a couple of bodies too. If the next gen shrinks 10-15% in size and weight and perks up the interior design while keeping the classic exterior design and all that Hemi goodness, Dodge will really have a winner. Hope the current version sells well enough to make that possible.
