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2200 Mile trip report -- and a quality gaffe

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Old 7/8/10 | 12:44 PM
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I wonder what happens if I put in the green coolant and it frags the radiator/cooling system... does it get fixed under warranty since I followed the directions? :-)
Old 7/8/10 | 02:12 PM
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I suspect that if someone looked at some Honda forums you would find that even Honda (hallowed be thy name) owners do have the occasional malfunction. A year ago the world believed that Toyota made only perfect cars.
Old 7/8/10 | 02:14 PM
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My Accord had a leaky slave cylinder after 15 years and the bolt where the clutch pedal attaches broke off after 14 years (could have killed me if I was at an intersection).

Those are the only problems I've had in 16+ years of its life.
Old 7/8/10 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyW
I suspect that if someone looked at some Honda forums you would find that even Honda (hallowed be thy name) owners do have the occasional malfunction. A year ago the world believed that Toyota made only perfect cars.
I just did....and you are right !!!

http://www.hondaaccordforum.com/foru...isplay.php?f=7
http://www.honda-tech.com/forumdisplay.php?f=118

Forums are very useful but one drawback is that a 0.5% problem may look like a 50% problem because the majority of people use forums to report problems and complains. Think about it, how many people actually join forums to say they car are running great.

So point taken Randy.

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Old 7/8/10 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RandyW
I suspect that if someone looked at some Honda forums you would find that even Honda (hallowed be thy name) owners do have the occasional malfunction. A year ago the world believed that Toyota made only perfect cars.
Actually the 5-speed automatic transmissions coupled to the V6 Honda engines from 2000 to present day have been a trouble spot, particularly from 2000 to 2003, and particularly in the Odyssey and Accord, so much so that for most cars affected Honda increased the warranty on the transmissions to 100K but never admitted to any wrongdoing. Data I gleaned (can't recall the web-site) said the average failure point was 77K miles. I never had a problem with my 2006 Accord, so maybe the problem was fixed. Then again I sold my car at 68K miles.

There was also a class-action lawsuit that alleged Honda's odometers were 2% too fast (affected both of our 2006 models), so Honda increased mileage allowance for everyone's warranty by 2%. Yippeee.

Other Honda trouble points include the brakes; most Honda front rotors warp if you look at them wrong.

On top of all that, Honda, via Acura in particular, is producing some of the butt-UGLIEST cars (what is with the beaks?) on the road lately, in my opinion. They need to hire some designers that either have eyesight, or are not Squidward Tentacles.

That's all I got for now. So no, Honda isn't perfect.
Old 7/8/10 | 07:18 PM
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I sell auto parts, and a lot of my customers are used car dealers that buy from auctions with problems and repair to sell, and cover stuff that goes wrong with cars they sell within a certain time frame, and I can tell you without a doubt, that accords from '00 to '03 have terrible transmission problems and I am glad I found my 99 camry DD so cheap.......
Old 7/8/10 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Double-EDad
Other Honda trouble points include the brakes; most Honda front rotors warp if you look at them wrong.
Tell me about it.

Originally Posted by Double-EDad
On top of all that, Honda, via Acura in particular, is producing some of the butt-UGLIEST cars (what is with the beaks?) on the road lately, in my opinion. They need to hire some designers that either have eyesight, or are not Squidward Tentacles.

That's all I got for now. So no, Honda isn't perfect
You forgot boring and expensive for what they are. This is the main reason I'm buying a Mustang.
Old 7/8/10 | 08:38 PM
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And because you did the trip along with a GT, what was the Gts milage for comparaison???
Old 7/8/10 | 08:45 PM
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My coolant sticker says to use orange coolant also, and it is.
Old 7/9/10 | 05:12 AM
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I've checked and my sticker & coolant match - both orange. Build date mid-April.
Old 7/9/10 | 08:58 AM
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My car has the correct coolant label! Mine also has the rust spots on the undercarriage.
Old 7/9/10 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by newpony
It looks like Jiffy Lube will be a no-no with this care then
My last experience with the Jiffy Lube in Payson, Arizona during my last road trip.....

I caught them putting in 10-30 instead of the 5-20 I had asked for and the car was labeled for. They called my FRPP Bullitt paper filter element a K&N and wanted to clean it. It was dirty but I had a replacement at home waiting. I wish they would have loosened the bolts first instead of just strong arming the element off the intake tube. Anyone familiar with the FRPP Bullitt CAI will know what I mean. Had to get on them for that too. I was running 35 PSI in my wheels, they bleed it off down to 28 PSI? The door sticker says 32 but that is with different wheels. Does any one think about what they are doing any more? I wound up hovering on the young man working my car. They must have thought I was the worst customer of the day.
Old 7/9/10 | 03:46 PM
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I really don't blame you. Not putting the full air in the tires written on the door makes me twitchy, because it's so easy to check the number and not hard at all to put the correct air amount in. Especially when they always put in 5 PSI LESS than the door panel, which will, of course, make the tires tear up faster. I can let that slide, though I don't like it, if only because I can fix it in ten minutes and it just increases wear on wearable components, but the wrong oil? That's just asking for trouble. It just reminds me of why I always change the oil myself.
Old 7/9/10 | 05:07 PM
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I run my front tires anywhere from 32-36 PSI and the backs at 30 PSI. Putting that lower amount in the back tires makes it ride smoother. 30 PSI is fine I'm sure because I had a relative that had a Cadillac that I drove quite a bit and the door said to put 30 PSI in the tires. If that 3800 lb car was ok doing that, my Mustang is fine with it too. My tires are rated for 80,000 miles. They have about 50,000 on them. They might actually make 80,000.
Old 7/19/10 | 03:45 PM
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Exclamation

I saw 3 2011 cars at our cruise night Saturday.
All 3 had use specialty orange stickers.
All three had the pink coolant.
What the heck is the pink long life coolant?
Is it OAT or Hybrid OAT?
The manual reads specialty orange, here is a chart:
Coolant.pdf
I don't even see pink on the list.
What is going on here?
Originally Posted by corvettedreamin
And the coolest quality gaffe of the trip: Showing my friends/family the engine bay my nephew points out the coolant sticker calls for "green" coolant while the tank is filled with pink. So much for "final inspections" and "wanting to get them perfect." Check your stickers, kids.
2200 Mile trip report -- and a quality gaffe-coolant2.jpg
Old 7/19/10 | 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by iBookmaster
I run my front tires anywhere from 32-36 PSI and the backs at 30 PSI. Putting that lower amount in the back tires makes it ride smoother. 30 PSI is fine I'm sure because I had a relative that had a Cadillac that I drove quite a bit and the door said to put 30 PSI in the tires. If that 3800 lb car was ok doing that, my Mustang is fine with it too. My tires are rated for 80,000 miles. They have about 50,000 on them. They might actually make 80,000.
Conversely, I run 42PSI in the Mustang. I ran my Fusion at 2 psi less than the stated max presure
on the tire and they showed virtually no wear at 40k plus miles. My father-in-law and I had almost identical Ford trucks. He ran Ford 'recommended' pressure; I ran a couple psi below the max on the tire. I went muuuuuch farther on the factory General tires than he did.

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Old 7/19/10 | 06:35 PM
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Trunk is tiny? I thought it was a good size, especially for a sports car. Your other car must be one of those old boats with a 6 foot long trunk. :P
Old 7/19/10 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Skotty
Trunk is tiny? I thought it was a good size, especially for a sports car. Your other car must be one of those old boats with a 6 foot long trunk. :P
CTS-V. In hindsight, I don't think it's small as much as it is the contours in the back make it feel smaller because everything seems to move toward the rear, sliding down.

Of course my "other" car that I still own is an F150 with a covered 8 foot bed. . . that's a good sized "trunk."
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