That is priceless!

 

When are you and right wing apologists like yourself going to admit to the wrongful accusations leveled at John Kerry during the "Swiftboat" debacle?

Apparently you're not clever enough to deduce the point I was trying to make about mixing misinformation with the truth.

 

Perhaps you guys can go to using the PM feature for the back and forth stabs. This is turning into one of those perfect examples as to why politics and religion have no place on a forum.

 

On the contrary, this is one of those perfect examples where MODS should look the other way and allow members a little latitude. Regardless of the exchanges, no one around here will need medical assistance.

 

I know what Adrenalin is getting at and I agree to a point.....but I also agree with you to a point. I think the personal insults need to be cut back and keep it on topic. I don't mind the trading of opposing viewpoints and I like seeing the truth supporting arguements and think this is a relatively healthy way to try to educate people who are mislead or have not researched a candidate.

However if this turns into personal attacks and people making assumptions that an individual is for example "A far right wing....or far left wing" followed or precluded by an attack personally then this thread will be shut down.

 

Do not assume anyone is far right or left and never assume or think you know how "clever" someone is....statements like this only lend to deteriorate your credibility.....and will also lead to the closing of the thread if it continues.

An exchange of ideas, opinions and facts can be done without resorting to personal attacks.....that is only the behavior of those who feel threatened and cannot hold their arguement in the eyes of the reader.

 

Boys will be boys.

It doesn't make one bit of difference. Besides, insults are just a substitute for substance and wash away with a little soap and water. I probably have been one of most if not THE most insulted member around here (the reasons why are beyond my comprehension ) and I have yet to complain or rat on anyone.

 

While that may be it doesn't take long to escalate into threats or worse so if stopped up front it eliminates the problem altogether. We are all adults here....or should act as such so it should not be unreasonable to behave as such .

 

So the crux of this arguement is that those who want to believe the "swiftboaters" do, and those who don't want to don't. And the same goes for McCain. So because I'm a conservative, I should believe the "swiftboaters" and John McCain, which I do.

Now we can all agree that John Kerry claimed to throw his medals over the White House fence, when in fact he did not, they were someone else's medals and it was in symbolism that he did so. He also claims to have gone to Cambodia which no one can verify, because evidently the mission was so covert there are no known survivors who can verify. Although we all know Martin Sheen did go to Cambodia in a fictitious movie, probably not related to Kerry's imagination.

The difference here is that Kerry went over, served, however you want to view his record, came home, got mixed up with anti-war protestors, symbolically threw someone else's medals over a fence, claimed he saw and knew directly of American servicemen who committed attrocities in a style reminiscent of "Genghis Khan" and then ran for President as a war hero who had never done anything wrong to anyone. Sorry. You lose.

 

I wonder if the Las Vegas odds for the previously projected Obama landslide victoire have been slightly adjusted.

 

You are still diverting. Yes, any scurrilous comments directed toward Kerry that in the slightest degree cast dishonor in the direction of the brave men and women who served in that war are abhorrent. But, I would also point out that this applies to everybody, veteran or otherwise, and that means that it includes John Kerry who has himself dishonored the memory of his colleagues with his words on more than one occasion, effectively making himself an outcast among the swifties including a man he once counted among his closest friends. Frankly his actions never angered me, rather they saddened me. He could have chosen to run holding his head high with regard to his military service, but he chose instead to take the same stance toward the military virtually every other liberal has attempting to demean and diminish rather than act as the leader the role of Commander in Chief he claimed he wanted to inherit required of him. I'll never say anything that dishonors his service in Vietnam, but I'm loathe to forgive him for what he said without genuine provocation or justification about the service of others.

In summation, I'm more than a little put off by any political movement which appears to believe as a group that it can forward it's cause by intentionally diminishing the service record of even one veteran, and I would guess that most Americans, and certainly most folks on this board, are as well. At the moment we have a modern liberal movement (as we all know their heavy handed policies are anything but liberal in the classical sense) which seems intent on achieving their goals by any means, no matter who has to pay the price....and I've seen an incredible amount of insults and lies which cast aspersion on good men and women serving their country who aren't even in the political spectrum coming from every strata of the liberal movement, including the grass roots portion. Character counts, and in this respect the modern liberal movement is approaching bankruptcy.

And speaking of character, you might want to rethink that apology to the sailors of the Forrestal.

 

Tell me about it, wish I had gotten in on that action four or five months ago.

 

It's not my credibility that's in question.

Thanks all the same.

Oh, and see this line below:
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Yeah, I have no trouble walking right up to it when I'm challenged. By anyone.

 

I owe no-one an apology, sir, and certainly not because you say I do.

Clear?

 

Indeed you do, but I knew from the outset that apology would never come. I simply wanted to afford you the opportunity. Fortunately, it isn't their reputation you have besmirched.

 

No. It's apparently yours.

 

You've missed my point entirely.....Your credibility in a discussion as in how seriously people take you IS in question when you degrade your position to personal attacks on others. If you expect to be taken seriously as if you have a valid arguement then you can stay on the high road and debate with factual information and insightful opinion and without resorting to name calling.

 

Perhaps you may wish to take your own advice before dispensing it to others.

 

Well I was trying to nicely warn/ask you to keep the topics on a mature level. So perhaps you should understand the rules here and realize when someone whose job it is to keep the forum out of the gutter warns you that you are headed in that direction or have gone in that direction. So keep it up sparky and see where that gets you .

 

And from your recent PM to me >>

"Listen to or get the hint" for what, exactly? I insulted no-one (and I don't see too many poor lil' darlin's around here who can't assert themselves) - only your ego and perceived status as a mod because I refused to be quiet, "come in line" with the right wing position, and "do what I was told." "[Having] the last word and constantly [arguing]" - which is spirited debate in many quarters - is not sufficient reason for ANY infractions whatsoever. And you bloody well know it.

And "Sparky"? C'mon, you kiddin' me? Flinging the very insults you accuse me of? Where I come from that's called hypocrisy.

No matter what you choose to call it, you are engaging in censorship for reasons of personal vanity; typically what happens in an autocracy. It's a shame that the only way you can win an argument is by attempting to silence the other person. It sounds as though you would find many sympathizers in Communist China.

Man up and face me in an open debate instead of hiding behind the skirt tails of "moderator" status.

Do you have the stones?