What the hell is FORD thinking???????????
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LIAR, LIAR! You are just angry your stang is obsolete. JK bro.
The 2015 mustang is really nice looking and no doubt it will corner like its on rails from the new IRS. Ford should continue its huge success with the next generation mustang and continue for another 50 years and on.
In about 10 years I will be ready for my next mustang and move from my 11 retro and pick up a 2025 model.
Maybe by then there will be a 10 speed automatic so I can install 4:56 gears. Lmao
The 2015 mustang is really nice looking and no doubt it will corner like its on rails from the new IRS. Ford should continue its huge success with the next generation mustang and continue for another 50 years and on.
In about 10 years I will be ready for my next mustang and move from my 11 retro and pick up a 2025 model.
Maybe by then there will be a 10 speed automatic so I can install 4:56 gears. Lmao
Perhaps in another 5 years from now, Ill be financially ready to purchase a 2020 model as we currently have a 3 year lease on my wife's 2013 Escape..
In the meantime, I'll continue enjoying my obsolete 2006 GT
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This thread could have been predicted two months ago...
Some folks will prattle on about how horrible the new car is for one reason or another, just to avoid facing the reality that the machine that we're so invested (financially and emotionally) in has been made obsolete by a newer, better machine.
It happens every time there is a new model of car with a strong fan base! Every. *******. Time.
At least the 05-09 owners can stop complaining about the tail lights of the '10-'14 cars for a while.
Some folks will prattle on about how horrible the new car is for one reason or another, just to avoid facing the reality that the machine that we're so invested (financially and emotionally) in has been made obsolete by a newer, better machine.
It happens every time there is a new model of car with a strong fan base! Every. *******. Time.
At least the 05-09 owners can stop complaining about the tail lights of the '10-'14 cars for a while.
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If by tons you mean mostly likely 25-50 pounds over the stick axle.
If your going to use the IRS in the Terminator as an example of how heavy an IRS is it was by Ford's admission atypical in weight and not really representative of what a properly designed (read free from the constraints of also having to fit a live axle) IRS could weigh.
Are you just in the market for a 2013? Earlier models can be had for a fair bit cheaper and easily modified for greater than 2013 power with the added plus of being able to take a lot of the 2013's parts in retrofit.
If your going to use the IRS in the Terminator as an example of how heavy an IRS is it was by Ford's admission atypical in weight and not really representative of what a properly designed (read free from the constraints of also having to fit a live axle) IRS could weigh.
im pissed off i wanted one of them gt500s in a few years and there already up the 2013 ones are going for 5k over what they cost new in 2013
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Some folks will prattle on about how horrible the new car is for one reason or another, just to avoid facing the reality that the machine that we're so invested (financially and emotionally) in has been made obsolete by a newer, better machine.
It happens every time there is a new model of car with a strong fan base! Every. *******. Time.
At least the 05-09 owners can stop complaining about the tail lights of the '10-'14 cars for a while.
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I think that's only part of it. Some people's gripes are because they really wanted the new model to be bad **** and mean looking, and it fell a little short of their expectations and feel a little let down. I like the new design, but also feel they could have went a little more aggressive with the lines and looks. Overall, tho, ![Thumb](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif)
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I don't so much dislike it because it makes my 13' "obsolete", I just don't care for it in general. There are certain cars I'd like to own at some point and a 15' isn't one of them. Regardless of how much better it may be performance wise, I still have to look at it everyday.
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Also think about how the new camaro has 101 more hp than the previous gen (2002 SS). Which was only 3 yrs younger than the s197 with 4.6L.
Gotta be happy with your baby. If not, trade her in for the new one. No need to gripe or be sad. If you're questioning it, then you already have your answer.
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I think many of us are of an age where we saw the cars from 1965-1972 as being a benchmark. The machines that came out after were generally understood to be less special and less powerful and it seemed POSSIBLE to buy a car that would stand the test of time as being permanently high performance and permanently special.
For example, an LS6 454 Chevelle was heroically powerful and revered for 35 years...those days are behind us. That probably won't happen again.
Instead, we're seeing year over year improvements and it suddenly seems very hard to decide when to buy-in.
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Those of us who buy a 2015 will undoubtedly feel the very same way when the Voodooo V8 shows up or when the refreshed/improved S550 shows up in a few years.
It's a strange thing that constantly improving cars causes us pain...many of us were probably secretly hoping that the S550 would be a turd...or that new regulations would kill (or badly wound!) the V8 so that our current cars would stay special.
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I think that's only part of it. Some people's gripes are because they really wanted the new model to be bad **** and mean looking, and it fell a little short of their expectations and feel a little let down. I like the new design, but also feel they could have went a little more aggressive with the lines and looks. Overall, tho, ![Thumb](https://themustangsource.com/forums/images/smilies/thumb.gif)
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I am in this camp, I do wish they went a tad more aggressive. However, I feel that the main reason for the discourse is as GTX says. Happens everytime a new model is introduced and not just for Mustang. You have to see whats happening on the M3 boards with the new M4.
Is this bad **** and mean looking / a tad more aggressive enough for you?
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I'm not usually a fan of widebody kits, but this really suits S550!
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I hear you there and I applaud you for admiting it.
I think many of us are of an age where we saw the cars from 1965-1972 as being a benchmark. The machines that came out after were generally understood to be less special and less powerful and it seemed POSSIBLE to buy a car that would stand the test of time as being permanently high performance and permanently special.
For example, an LS6 454 Chevelle was heroically powerful and revered for 35 years...those days are behind us. That probably won't happen again.
Instead, we're seeing year over year improvements and it suddenly seems very hard to decide when to buy-in.
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Those of us who buy a 2015 will undoubtedly feel the very same way when the Voodooo V8 shows up or when the refreshed/improved S550 shows up in a few years.
It's a strange thing that constantly improving cars causes us pain...many of us were probably secretly hoping that the S550 would be a turd...or that new regulations would kill (or badly wound!) the V8 so that our current cars would stay special.
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I think many of us are of an age where we saw the cars from 1965-1972 as being a benchmark. The machines that came out after were generally understood to be less special and less powerful and it seemed POSSIBLE to buy a car that would stand the test of time as being permanently high performance and permanently special.
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I think many of us are of an age where we saw the cars from 1965-1972 as being a benchmark. The machines that came out after were generally understood to be less special and less powerful and it seemed POSSIBLE to buy a car that would stand the test of time as being permanently high performance and permanently special.
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My fear is Ford's direction with the latest models is TBD in my opinion. The look is more euro, GT is the top model right now, & a 4 cylinder (hopped up focus ST engine?) has been added. Are we seeing ford continue to build upon the last generation of successes? Or is this the beginning of a turning point that will see the mustang deteriorate into the next 70's era Pinto Mustang (or in today's models a Focus Mustang)?
I think ford wants to stay heading the performance direction - but the 4 cylinder thing puzzles me. Sure it looks good on paper, but is making a more fuel efficient mustang really the direction we need in a Mustang? Or should that be relegated to the the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, etc type cars that are supposed to be fuel efficient oriented? Is ford spreading the Mustang too thin by trying to create a higher horsepower monster (maybe the next SVT model) and also a fuel efficient 4 cylinder lower end car? Are they confused? What market are they chasing?
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That thought is kind of along the lines of my thinking. In the Mid 70's the cars were lacking (no longer performance cars from the factory and just had dress up kits - aka, the Cobra II) and evolved and got better over time. The 2006 saw a step back towards their roots and became more retro, which I really liked - and performance has been ratcheting up over the last few years to truly bring back the muscle to the Pony car (this is what makes a car a Mustang for me).
My fear is Ford's direction with the latest models is TBD in my opinion. The look is more euro, GT is the top model right now, & a 4 cylinder (hopped up focus ST engine?) has been added. Are we seeing ford continue to build upon the last generation of successes? Or is this the beginning of a turning point that will see the mustang deteriorate into the next 70's era Pinto Mustang (or in today's models a Focus Mustang)?
I think ford wants to stay heading the performance direction - but the 4 cylinder thing puzzles me. Sure it looks good on paper, but is making a more fuel efficient mustang really the direction we need in a Mustang? Or should that be relegated to the the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, etc type cars that are supposed to be fuel efficient oriented? Is ford spreading the Mustang too thin by trying to create a higher horsepower monster (maybe the next SVT model) and also a fuel efficient 4 cylinder lower end car? Are they confused? What market are they chasing?
Mainly Americans get caught up in how big and cylinders does there car have. The European market wants sleek , fast cars with a smaller displacement and gets good fuel millage. Look at Porsche, they don't need big displacement. 4 and 6 cylinders all day long.
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That thought is kind of along the lines of my thinking. In the Mid 70's the cars were lacking (no longer performance cars from the factory and just had dress up kits - aka, the Cobra II) and evolved and got better over time. The 2006 saw a step back towards their roots and became more retro, which I really liked - and performance has been ratcheting up over the last few years to truly bring back the muscle to the Pony car (this is what makes a car a Mustang for me).
My fear is Ford's direction with the latest models is TBD in my opinion. The look is more euro, GT is the top model right now, & a 4 cylinder (hopped up focus ST engine?) has been added. Are we seeing ford continue to build upon the last generation of successes? Or is this the beginning of a turning point that will see the mustang deteriorate into the next 70's era Pinto Mustang (or in today's models a Focus Mustang)?
I think ford wants to stay heading the performance direction - but the 4 cylinder thing puzzles me. Sure it looks good on paper, but is making a more fuel efficient mustang really the direction we need in a Mustang? Or should that be relegated to the the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, etc type cars that are supposed to be fuel efficient oriented? Is ford spreading the Mustang too thin by trying to create a higher horsepower monster (maybe the next SVT model) and also a fuel efficient 4 cylinder lower end car? Are they confused? What market are they chasing?
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Why?
# of cylinders does NOT equal power
When the base model 4 cylinder Mustang can outrun a 5 year old 4.6L V8 Mustang GT, what is there to worry about?
Other than they might come along and turbo up a V6 that will outrun your car.
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The S550 is wide enough as it is.. Adding body kits just look too cartoonish and bulky along with breaking up the Mustang's sculpted lines IMO !
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That thought is kind of along the lines of my thinking. In the Mid 70's the cars were lacking (no longer performance cars from the factory and just had dress up kits - aka, the Cobra II) and evolved and got better over time. The 2006 saw a step back towards their roots and became more retro, which I really liked - and performance has been ratcheting up over the last few years to truly bring back the muscle to the Pony car (this is what makes a car a Mustang for me).
The 1979 Foxstang was in one sense a step back to the Mustang's more conceptual roots, even if its styling took a very different, modern turn. But conceptually, the '65 and '79 shared a lot: both based off midsized sedans (Falcon, Fairmont), both tidy of dimension, both a fusion of American and European aesthetics, etc.
In another sense, whereas the 2005 hewed much closer to the '65 stylistically, it was perhaps a bit different conceptually, being a unique platform, bigger, eschewing contemporary European stylistic influences, etc.
In that context, I see the 2015 falling somewhere between these two approaches, being a bit more trim of size and cosmopolitan in its styling (ala the '65) yet still retaining at least a modicum of specific Mustang stylistic cues. As for sharing a platform, well, the 2015 may end up doing that bass ackwards from the '65 and '79 with potential sedans being based off its platform rather than the other way around.
My fear is Ford's direction with the latest models is TBD in my opinion. The look is more euro, GT is the top model right now, & a 4 cylinder (hopped up focus ST engine?) has been added. Are we seeing ford continue to build upon the last generation of successes? Or is this the beginning of a turning point that will see the mustang deteriorate into the next 70's era Pinto Mustang (or in today's models a Focus Mustang)?
I think ford wants to stay heading the performance direction - but the 4 cylinder thing puzzles me. Sure it looks good on paper, but is making a more fuel efficient mustang really the direction we need in a Mustang? Or should that be relegated to the the Fiesta ST, Focus ST, etc type cars that are supposed to be fuel efficient oriented? Is ford spreading the Mustang too thin by trying to create a higher horsepower monster (maybe the next SVT model) and also a fuel efficient 4 cylinder lower end car? Are they confused? What market are they chasing?
Ford does seem to cover a wide spread in the markets/niches the Mustang covers, maybe a touch too wide. I would agree that at the lower end, the Focus/Fiesta STs probably make a lot more sense and perhaps more enjoyable drives. At the other end, Ford, lacking a true halo car like the Vette or Viper, sort of has to fill that gap, sort of, with the Stang. Perhaps Ford really needs to revisit the idea of a neo GT40/Pantera/what ever.