Ford to Build the 2015 GT350!
1/8/13, 02:41 AM
#101
GTR Member
I think the main reason I have a "problem" with a 4-cylinder Mustang is because of my love of the old European Capris. When I was younger (in my early 20s) I couldn't afford the top dog Capri, the 2.8i V6, so had to make do with the weasy 1.6 4-cylinder. Only when I was older and could afford the insurance, could I trade up to a "real" Capri.
I guess that stigma has stuck with me.
Mind you, a 300bhp 4-cylinder turbo is a long way from the old 90bhp in my first Capri
Also, if the Mustang does make it to Europe and we don't get the V8 (as was rumoured) a V6 would be much more desirable than a 4-pot.
1/8/13, 05:11 AM
#102
I suspect that won't be the case in the near future with the cost-benefit of an EcoBoost-4 (2.0L vs N/A V6) in terms of production (economies of scale), and benefit for FMC in regards to CAFE requirements.
1/8/13, 08:34 AM
#103
I Have No Life
It's in more vehicles than not(even at a small upgrade cost in some vehicles)
and it's market penetration will be a lot more in the future.
The idea was to make the power of a V6 in a Turbo4, and the power of an V8 in the turbo6. All getting better fuel economy.
The F150 seems to always have been the vehicle with the most build combinations, and I know that they've tried cutting that down. I believe at one point in an article I read, that in ordering an F150 you could potentially build it in a million different combos. So the Eco and V8 seem to be a choice available.
THe Mustang isn't affected by that, but I believe that we won't have the choice. It'll be one or the other. Offering both would require testing for yet another combination etc. And the entry for the car might be more drawn to a Turbo4. There's just something about the ring of a TURBO or ECOBOOST that might draw people into the car, rather than 'well I had to settle for a V6'
And don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a 300+hp V6, Ford has done an amazing job on the base car.
It's almost though as if no matter how powerful it was/is, its below the coveted V8, doesn't sound the same...and in some peoples eyes, will always be the 'lower model'. Heck even in some of our circles you get the ignorant 'well its not ____ model...its not a mustang'
1/8/13, 11:35 AM
#104
Legacy TMS Member
Beg to differ.
It's in more vehicles than not(even at a small upgrade cost in some vehicles)
and it's market penetration will be a lot more in the future.
The idea was to make the power of a V6 in a Turbo4, and the power of an V8 in the turbo6. All getting better fuel economy.
The F150 seems to always have been the vehicle with the most build combinations, and I know that they've tried cutting that down. I believe at one point in an article I read, that in ordering an F150 you could potentially build it in a million different combos. So the Eco and V8 seem to be a choice available.
THe Mustang isn't affected by that, but I believe that we won't have the choice. It'll be one or the other. Offering both would require testing for yet another combination etc. And the entry for the car might be more drawn to a Turbo4. There's just something about the ring of a TURBO or ECOBOOST that might draw people into the car, rather than 'well I had to settle for a V6'
And don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a 300+hp V6, Ford has done an amazing job on the base car.
It's almost though as if no matter how powerful it was/is, its below the coveted V8, doesn't sound the same...and in some peoples eyes, will always be the 'lower model'. Heck even in some of our circles you get the ignorant 'well its not ____ model...its not a mustang'
I hear what you're saying. Now what about fleet sales? Can you see the Hertz and Budget lots filled with turbo-4 Mustangs?...
1/8/13, 11:50 AM
#105
I Have No Life
They are going to have vehicles that are EcoBoosted from other vehicles in the lineup(now or eventually), so why is that even any different?
1/8/13, 01:23 PM
#106
Legacy TMS Member
Yes, if it costs the same. But, how many rental vehicles can you name, that have turbo engines? Rental fleets don't want to deal with that. I liken this scenario to Ford offering the 3.7 in the Taurus, to the police fleets - when they debuted it was only 3.5 FWD and 3.5TT AWD. The police fleets asked for the more powerful V6 AWD model, without the turbos...less stress on the drivetrain, less parts to deal with.
1/8/13, 07:22 PM
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1/8/13, 08:01 PM
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I also love the GT-H. Something about the black and gold I just like.
1/8/13, 11:13 PM
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And the 3.7 was reserved for higher end passenger cars like the Fusion Sport
They are throwing the EcoBoosts in everything now.
I don't see it geting the V6, but the I4-T is perfectly fine for a base car.
It might also sway buyers that are younger and can't get an 8, but wouldn't 'be caught dead in a V6'
"But its got a TURBO!"
They are throwing the EcoBoosts in everything now.
I don't see it geting the V6, but the I4-T is perfectly fine for a base car.
It might also sway buyers that are younger and can't get an 8, but wouldn't 'be caught dead in a V6'
"But its got a TURBO!"
Dave
1/8/13, 11:41 PM
#111
The 3.7 was used in the MKZ, not the Fusion. The 2.3, 3.0, and 3.5 were available engines in Fusion.
1/9/13, 12:08 AM
#112
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1/9/13, 06:55 AM
#113
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Sorry.,... yeah yeah my bad.
Fusion 6s originally had the 3L and 3.5 6s in the sport.
3.7 was Lincoln.
Brainfart
Fusion 6s originally had the 3L and 3.5 6s in the sport.
3.7 was Lincoln.
Brainfart
Last edited by Boomer; 1/9/13 at 06:57 AM.
1/15/13, 09:20 PM
#114
Cobra Member
On page 4 of this thread, AlsCobra said this is the dumbest thread on TMS. I would like for him to privledge us with the reason he feels this thread is so dumb.
