That's an interesting take on it........and makes sense to "reset" the benchmark for an entry level Mustang.

I think the main reason I have a "problem" with a 4-cylinder Mustang is because of my love of the old European Capris. When I was younger (in my early 20s) I couldn't afford the top dog Capri, the 2.8i V6, so had to make do with the weasy 1.6 4-cylinder. Only when I was older and could afford the insurance, could I trade up to a "real" Capri.

I guess that stigma has stuck with me.

Mind you, a 300bhp 4-cylinder turbo is a long way from the old 90bhp in my first Capri

Also, if the Mustang does make it to Europe and we don't get the V8 (as was rumoured) a V6 would be much more desirable than a 4-pot.

 

I suspect that won't be the case in the near future with the cost-benefit of an EcoBoost-4 (2.0L vs N/A V6) in terms of production (economies of scale), and benefit for FMC in regards to CAFE requirements.

 

Beg to differ.
It's in more vehicles than not(even at a small upgrade cost in some vehicles)
and it's market penetration will be a lot more in the future.
The idea was to make the power of a V6 in a Turbo4, and the power of an V8 in the turbo6. All getting better fuel economy.

The F150 seems to always have been the vehicle with the most build combinations, and I know that they've tried cutting that down. I believe at one point in an article I read, that in ordering an F150 you could potentially build it in a million different combos. So the Eco and V8 seem to be a choice available.

THe Mustang isn't affected by that, but I believe that we won't have the choice. It'll be one or the other. Offering both would require testing for yet another combination etc. And the entry for the car might be more drawn to a Turbo4. There's just something about the ring of a TURBO or ECOBOOST that might draw people into the car, rather than 'well I had to settle for a V6'
And don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a 300+hp V6, Ford has done an amazing job on the base car.

It's almost though as if no matter how powerful it was/is, its below the coveted V8, doesn't sound the same...and in some peoples eyes, will always be the 'lower model'. Heck even in some of our circles you get the ignorant 'well its not ____ model...its not a mustang'

 

I hear what you're saying. Now what about fleet sales? Can you see the Hertz and Budget lots filled with turbo-4 Mustangs?...

 

If the cost is the same, regardless of whether they offer the Eco4/V6, why not?
They are going to have vehicles that are EcoBoosted from other vehicles in the lineup(now or eventually), so why is that even any different?

 

Yes, if it costs the same. But, how many rental vehicles can you name, that have turbo engines? Rental fleets don't want to deal with that. I liken this scenario to Ford offering the 3.7 in the Taurus, to the police fleets - when they debuted it was only 3.5 FWD and 3.5TT AWD. The police fleets asked for the more powerful V6 AWD model, without the turbos...less stress on the drivetrain, less parts to deal with.

 

I'm not a car maker nor a rental company.

I'll let them figure it out if that's the case.

 

Why not? At least a mix. Great way to introduce them and/or let people try. Remember the GT-H?? Exposed a lot of people to the 'power of the day'.

 

I agree on a couple notes here. I think the or a turbo 4 is nearly inevitable and will show ip on showroom floors and rental lots.

I also love the GT-H. Something about the black and gold I just like.

 

I think you mean the 3.5L, as the 3.7L only made it into the Edge and Mustang I believe. I wish the 3.7L made it into the Fusion, even with the new model..that would be nice.

Dave

 

The 3.7 was used in the MKZ, not the Fusion. The 2.3, 3.0, and 3.5 were available engines in Fusion.

 

MKZ and MKS, Edge Sport/MKX, F-150, Mustang, MKT - right?

 

Sorry.,... yeah yeah my bad.
Fusion 6s originally had the 3L and 3.5 6s in the sport.
3.7 was Lincoln.

Brainfart

 

On page 4 of this thread, AlsCobra said this is the dumbest thread on TMS. I would like for him to privledge us with the reason he feels this thread is so dumb.

 

 

 

 

Someone is assuming Al can remember back that far.

 

I think he's just plain yella!

 

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