Yes. And yes.

 

From your signature I know that you are a ricer, that is why you suggest the civic, you can get that one for yourself. I can exchange my car whenever I want to.

 

Great suggestions Pete!

Do you think that watts link, might also help on reducing the body roll?

Also talking about Staggered VS Non Staggered set up. That a Staggered set up, might bring understeer handling to the picture, I don't know if I follow the staggered route, and this might be corrected with adjustable anti sway bars or to follow the Non Staggered set up and this might bring a more balanced handling on the track.

 

Seems like a built Vette would be the better option for what you are using it for but that's just me thinking out loud.

 

You are right. A stock C6 Vette can go head to head with Porsches. But I need the back seats.

 

Maybe you should do a little research. Ford took one also but it wasn't as publicised and wasn't as big! I hope i didn't burst your little "political" bubble. Oh, the bailout was under Bush and executed under the current President.

 

Oh I forgot a 5.9 billion loan was the same as a 64 billion dollar bailout. Thanks for clarifying.

 

My bad....i thought money was money....

 

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It is my pleasure. I got a lot of my mod and track info from TMS, it's only fitting to share it. ..
* Watts link - not necessary IMO unless you plan to track 10+ days per year, hard, and you like your daily ride stiffer. Otherwise the PHB set-up is just fine.
* Mild understeer is perfect for this car, to reduce the inherent tail-happy behavior. Accomplish this with a 'middle' setting for the front sway, and with a staggered set-up (that's how I have mine, Front = 19x9, 255/40. Rear = 19x10, 285/35). Some drivers may try for a too-aggressive setting on the front sway, which upsets the balance, and you have to be a very good track driver to exploit the car in that way.
* I may increase tire one size, to 265 front and 295 rear, in the future.
* A square set-up can work well, too. Provided you get up to at least 275 tire size. But you would definitely want an adjustable front sway, and set it to the softest setting (I think). Check with your local performance shop to be sure.

 

In the past 3 years, I have owned a 2010 Mustang GT Premium, a 2012 Mustang GT Premium with the Brembo Pkg, and now a 2013 Camaro SS with the 1LE Pkg. My observations are that the cars are very similar. The 1LE is no faster off the line than my 2012 GT. It does handle better but the suspension is better so it should. That suspension also makes for a roughr ride vs my 2013 GT. As far as price, my 1LE stickered for only about 1K more than my 2012 GT. It is better equipped and the wheels and red brembo calipers on the front and rear look great. I never understood why Ford did not put brembo calipers on the rear. At the end of the day, you have Ford guys as and Chevy guys. I would like to be a Ferrari guy but will have to settle for Chevy or Ford!

 

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Welcome, John. Enjoy that 1LE. Will you track it?

 

Probably not, my kids bleed me dry financially!! Not to mention, I am falling into the mod trap as I did with my previous mustangs!

 

Floating axles, more specifically the c-clip that retains the axles allows them to move about requiring a similar arrangement with the brakes. Unfortunately using Brembos on the rear would have required redesigning the 8.8 to using the same sort of axle retention used on the 9" rear ends - pressed axle bearings with caps that would capture the end of the bearing at the end of the axle tube.

Fitting a fixed caliper to a floating axle would result in irregular wear and increased noise (if anybody wants to wee how much movement there is just buy a set of Hawk HPS+ pads for the car and it will be very evident when you go around turns as the axle moves and ***** the rotor against the pad).

 

Wow, way to point out your utter lack of objectivity. Keep your head in the sand and good luck in life. You'll need it. Especially when a 1LE registers a lap time a few seconds ahead of you.

Got to give respect when respect is due.

 

It's his option to care about that just the same as you care about your imaginary times motortrend ran that one day under a rainbow.

Let me guess, it's the issue with the camaro on the front and 28 of 50 pages are GM advertisement?

 

Actually, I work in the auto industry. Not for either Ford or GM, but I've had the opportunity to do work on the 1LE. I'm a trained driver, it's part of my job. And I can tell you from first hand experience that Chevy got things right with 1LE. I've never been a fan of the SS Camaro's handling. They've under-steered like no tomorrow. But with a 3.92 ratio, tall 1-2 gears, broad power band, sticky 285s on all 4 corners and re-worked sway/springs this is a purpose built track car.
There is no doubt in my mind that if If I had 10 laps around any track here in Michigan with my GT Track Pack Mustang and the 1LE, I'd have better lap times with the 1LE. No doubt at all.
Obviously I chose the Mustang over the Camaro for a multitude of reasons, but being a performance enthusiast I have to give credit to the Camaro. It's one thing to not like Chevy, and another to question this car's obvious track supremacy.

 

I get that it's faster, being the answer to the track pack it should be. Just don't think your average pony car driver, choosing between a mustang or camaro, cares which one is a second faster around laguna seca.

 

I see your point...but I don't think you have that completely right.

So much of the decision to buy a performance cars is based on the car's performance potential...and one commonly valued measure is a car's published track time around well known road courses like Laguna Seca.

How many of us were proud when Motor Trend compared the GT/BBP to the $60,000 BMW M3 track model and had these cars come out about even? How many cheered when the Boss 302 spanked that same M3?

It's entirely likely that as an average/enthusiast driver that my track times might not even be much better or worse in a Camaro SS or a Challenger R/T...( ) but picking the one of the three that offered the best possible performance was important to me....and I don't think I'm alone in that.

I'm a Mopar guy but I bought the Mustang GT/BBP because it was the best performance value at the time and a **** good driving car. There's a good chance that I might pick the 1LE over the Mustang if I was buying today.

I don't care for how the Camaro looks but it appears to be the better driving and better performing car...that's worth something to a guy like me!

 

I am in line with you on this. M3 has always been a hero of mine, and when I realized that i can get almost-the-same level of performance from a Mustang, I was ecstatic, and the decision regarding my next car wall sealed.

 

[QUOTE="Marcin K.;6649056"] I am in line with you on this. M3 has always been a hero of mine, and when I realized that i can get almost-the-same level of performance from a Mustang, I was ecstatic, and the decision regarding my next car wall sealed.[/QUOTE

:agreed: The new 5.0 hangs right with the M3 (THE BENCHMARK) performance wise but the price difference is immediately noticeable in overall quality. But then again what else would you expect from Bavaria's finest automobile?

Id rather have the performance and thats where the Mustang sells to strongly. M3 performance, raw American power, all at an affordable price. Mustangs FTW!