Back in the day [the 70's] the magazines praised the Z28's over the Boss, can tell you My 70 Boss spanked every Z28 it ever came up against and even to this day my long time friends that are die hard chevy fans, that had Z28's will testify to that, don't believe all you read or see, just think how good it will feel when you put the driver into the equation and beat them. Cars are a lot of money, if you want a camaro buy that, I'll stick with my proven stangs any day for the better all around car

 

Like the other poster said other aspects of the Bullitt trickled down into the newer GTs. Those cars definitely weren't just to increase interest.
To me the part I bolded is more telling. Those motors were near the end of their cycle regardless. It was time to move on. CAFE regulations probably had a lot to do with it as well.

Bottom line to me is Ford has proven they improve the breed w/ or w/o competition there. Does it provide a little extra incentive? Sure. But there's no way in hell I'm gonna sit here and say, "Thanks Chevy for making the Camaro. You're making Ford make a better Mustang!" Not at least until they give me my bailout money back. I'd rather it be extinct, the Mustang sell even more, and have more development dollars available for an even better product.

Last time I checked Ford made some pretty awesome Ponies from 2003-2009.

 

Yep..Chevy had what 8 years to develop a Camaro. And that's the best they could do. It was barely outrunning the 2010's when it came out. And the magazines own comments about the Camaro show the magazines are biased. They all complain about the visibility, the seats and the gauges and interior. Yet they say the Camaro is easier to live with. Last I checked being able to see where I'm going and read my gauges was more important than a little bouncier ride in the mustang

 

This.

 

I belive its equipped with standard gt bars unless it has added track pack option.

 

Incorrect. I believe it was the ZL1 that spanked it. The track wasn't made for speed though so they said power wasn't an issue. Just the handling. The magnetic ride control won basically so who knows about the 1LE vs Boss LS. The latter is a 49k car vs a 43k car w/ a back seat and WAY heavier.

I know right? That was weird to me too!! 5.0's aren't crap now apparently.

I believe the 1LE has 285 all the way around 20x10" / 20x11". Goodyear Eagle F1 (or something like that) Can't imagine what those baby's cost!

The 1LE is rated at 24 mph highway and like 16 city. The ZL1 has a gas guzzler tax while the more powerful Shelby 666hp GT500 does not.

While I'll agree that's where our cars shine, the 1LE w/ the suspension and chassis upgrades did like 12.6 quarter mile so I dont' think you'd take one at every light.

This is why I don't like staggered set ups that much unless you have major HP at the wheels.

Ford did create the 5.0 which in my view is a superior engine to the LS3 but to each their own. Maybe Ford did "innovate" there and Chevy is following. Chevy did go FI on the ZL1 before Shelby did but Chevy has Ford beat in suspension right now that's for sure. That Magnetic Ride control makes me drool.

It's the weight IMO.

And a rear seat delete w/ the Leguna Seca w/ an X brace. MUCH lighter than the Camero.

Yeah Mustang is a much better street driving car. I couldn't stand the view of a Camero inside but they sure do look purty.

Yes, that is correct.

 

you're comparing a v6 car with a v8 lol and the suspension on the v6 is not as good as the SS and 1LE so that comparison fails also. I do agree with the horrible visibility on the new 5th gens
same trans gears as the z06 and the rear gears are 3.91:1 which is why the 1le has no stock competition for road racing. yes stop light to stop light because of the weight will have a hard-time but on the track it reigns above the N/A mustangs. i'm still very surprised that ford has mustangs on such narrow tires and doesn't offer better brakes as a standard
4th gen actually, 3rd gen's last year of production was 92 and the 4th gen was 02.

 

Hmm.. dont know what I was thinking? Perhaps it was my love to hate it affair with a old roommates 3rd gen - me and that car never got along, still running though, I just saw it yesterday when her dad came driving up to work with it. Typical 80's GM car, paint and interior gone to hell with leaky T- tops.

Well its almost a 10 year old car designed around 27" OD tires and a live rear end with floating axles, the former limiting swept area on the brakes and the latter preventing the installation of a fixed caliper.

I haven't seen where the brakes are big issue except on the GT500 due to both its weight and ability to build some serious speed in a short space.

 

i've owned 3 3rd gens and i love them the most and yet they were big piles of **** lol the gt500-whoever thought those brakes would be good on a car with well over 500rwhp is a retard and should be shot for their incompetence

 

Who circa 2003 or 2004 probably would have thought that the GT500 would pound down around nearly 100 more HP to the rear wheels than the car which was replacing the terminator had at the crank.

There just isn't enough room to put the turkey platters slapped on the Camaro's hubs. Ford maybe could have squeezed a 20" wheel in there but the ride and reliability would have suffered and it would have been too cost prohibitive to modify the bodywork to fit larger wheels (the greenhouse has remained unchanged since the cars debut) and still retain sensible proportions.

It is what it is, a 10 year old car that's reached the end of its life cycle and taken about as far as it can go.

 

Same size Brembos on the GT500 As the Camaro ZL1...brakes are just fine for 99% only issues have shown up under road race conditions and that's cured with fluid and pad swap. He talks about loving the Gen 3 Camaro but then calls the GT500 brakes garbage? That's pretty comical

 

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Yes...switch to DOT 4 and Brembos become an entirely new animal. Pads take it another step more. Steel lines even more. But...should be available (at least as an option) from FoMoCo, IMO.

 

Lmao 3rd gen camaro, looked like **** and sounded like it looked. Hell, the folks that designed the 3rd gen, hated the 3rd gen. Mullets anyone??

 

isn't that the upgrade kit on the gt500??? pretty sure the zl1 comes stock with them. yep i loved my 3rd gens even though they were slow as hell and had many flaws and yes gt500 brakes are garabge which is why you have a $5k upgrade right?? ask ford to give you wider tires also whats with the exhaust amplifier?

the termi looked awesome and the new gt500 looks awesome also but i don't car for how you sit in it the gt500 tire width (as bad as the gto had ) and i like road racing and curvy roads because you get more time than in a 1/4 and more of a rush! just personal preference

 

Gt500 comes with Brembos stock so did the Boss. Only an option on the GT. You need to stick to your brake shoes on your Camaro. There aren't any $5000 options on any mustang. It's funny how you Camaro guys can't beat a mustang in the 1/4 mile, now all of a sudden you are all about turns. Hate to burst your bubble, but the crappy GT500 has beat your ZL1 in half of the road course tests too.

 

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Umm...where to start here...? Perhaps normal high-school-level grammar, no run-on sentences, and less ADHD, and I might be able to form a sensible response.

 

Yep, just like sales didn't matter when mustangs sold 4/1 vs camaro, now sales are all they can hang their hat on, barely. Got a good feeling about 13'.

 

just sayin

 

Mustangs win even if they lose

 

Honda inspired rear end really sets it apart