I doubt this Bullitt will be immune from ADM's, given the very fact that it is (supposed to be) an SE along with est. production #'s. sad but true.

 

I don't make the rules. Scothew and Brad do. If you have issues with the rules direct them toward them.

My job is only to enforce them.

 

I don't have issues with the rules. I do have issues with preferential treatment and partisan politics.

 

I don't get your logic at all???
So did you buy all those Ford vehicles because of the Mustang? And now that they aren't going to stuff 400hp in to a Bullitt you're going to not buy anymore Ford's?
Or you're going to stop buying Ford's because of all the Shelby models they are making?

You bought all those various vehicles because of needs and those vehicles met your needs. You bought Mustangs when they were total garbage, in my opinion. Back when they looked awful and had no power. When all they had in common with the glory years was the name and the pony emblem.

Now Ford has returned Mustang to it's glory years.
I'm disappointed that the Bullitt isn't going to be more (based on early leaked info). But I still love the Mustang. And for sure I want another GT

 

It would be surprising if you would.

The logic is based on loyalty, building relationships, and supporting the home team but it is not a one way street. You are right about Ford not always having the best products nevertheless, I am not the only one who has supported Ford despite their shortcomings.

I will buy one more Ford product for myself and possibly one more for my wife then it stops, unless Ford and its dealers reverse their current trend and start showing some over due gratitute. I would not have a problem in letting by gones be by gones and restore my full support for Ford. I would even extend an olive branch to the local dealer, providing it takes the next step and does the right thing. They know where I am.

 

No you're over estimating the place Shelby plays in the big picture.
They are building about 6000 SGT's. Those are not big numbers. I think Ford sold about 160,000 Mustangs in 05.
So while 6000 units is nothing to sneeze at- it is not how they make their money and profit.

If I could get a SGT up here in Canada I would strongly consider getting one. Not because I think it will be a collector's item some day, but because it would be a collector's item to ME.
If you think about it the SGT is more a Shelby than the GT500. Ford completely builds the GT500 in their assembly plants. The SGT is completed in Shelby's very own factory. To me it feels more custom made.

Does it cost more than the sum of it's parts? Yes it does. But do you expect them to make no profit on these cars? Would you work for free?
Paying $3000 (roughly) over the cost of parts is, in my opinion, nothing compared to value you'll get. Fun ride, great story to tell, uniqueness, etc.

In my opinion Ford is trying to meet the demand's of Mustang lovers. But they must also make sure they can turn a profit.
But all I hear is *****ing in these forums and threats of taking business to other makers.
Everyone wants 400hp stuffed into a Stang- but how many people are going to buy one? 160,000? 10,000?
Considering the rising costs of gas, the need for premium fuel for this car is going to dampen interest. Increased insurance costs will also turn away many potential buyers.
So the number of people buying these vehicles is quite small.

Most of us see the world through our own eyes. Eyes that are clouded by our personal views and opinions. It's fairly difficult to see the larger world view.
I go to youtube and see teenagers racing around in Shelby GT500's. Now obviously these kids come from rich homes, or at least fairly well off familes. It's no problem for these folks to drop $60,000 on a GT500 for the kid.
But that is not true of the average person living in North America.
So who is Ford making cars for? They have to make them for the average person, the average person is the one who contributes most to Ford's bottom line.

So we should be somewhat thankful that Ford is trying to give us a "steed for every need". They might not always hit one out of the park. But at least they are taking a few swings.

 

I buy a car not because of who makes it- but because it fulfills a need.
I will probably buy another Mustang because I love the car- not because I like or don't like Ford.

Sounds like some dealer (in your eyes) didn't treat you well. Well there are plenty of dealers looking to earn your business. Go buy from them and then send a copy of the sale agreement to the other dealer.
But beyond that- save your tears. Life is hard and then you die.

 

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There are thousands of people(including myself) that are crying for a 350-400hp SE(Mach1, Boss, etc.). 10,000 units would be sold in a minute, as long as they don't follow the same path as the GT500.

As previously posted by myself and another poster, the 2004 Cobra was only $35K! It had 390hp. Thats pretty darn good value, compared to the Shelby GT and now the Bullitt. Both under 320hp.

 

you are not calling shelby the devil are you?

back fired? selling cars at or above msrp for almost a year straight is backfiring? hell they even have dealers buying shelby's above msrp from other dealers! and you dont believe ford has gained any additional media coverage the last three years? every time i turn around there is another rag doing a story one of the shelby mustangs!

 

10,000 units might be sold quickly- but do you think that is a lot? And if they are going to sell it for the bargin basement price you want- how much profit do you think Ford will see?

Go to any local mall and take a look around. How much MUSCLE do you see? Not very much. People can't afford it, don't need it or don't want it. Ford is on very shaky ground financially. I don't see how you think they should make supplying a 400hp mustang job 1?

But we are just arguing a moot point. It doesn't look like 08 is going to see any model with significant hp numbers- except the GT500 and KR.
We have to play the hand that is being dealt to us and make the best of whatever Mustang editions Ford gives us.

 

on d bit- Don't waste time debating him. He has his shorts in a knot over some imagined insult from Ford.
None of his thoughts or arguments make sense.

 

The 2003-2004 Mustang Mach1 filled the void pretty well! What makes you think a new 350-400hp SE wouldn't do the same?

Its not like we are asking Ford to create a car that runs on water, both GM & Chrysler have several models that are at 300hp or above. Asking Ford to make a 350-400hp Mustang shouldn't be so unreasonable.

Its not my fault Ford Mo. Co. is so poorly managed. I've done my part. I continue to buy Fords. My Dad retired from Ford after 32+ years. I have friends & relatives that either work at Ford or are retired from Ford. THEY ALL BUY FORDS!

Look at Dodge for example. They have the Magnum R/T msrp $32,065 340HP.
Magnum SRT8 msrp $38,345 - 425hp.

Those prices are very similar to the Dodge Charger:
Charger R/T = $31,190, 340hp
Charger Daytona = $34,890, 350hp
Charger SRT 8 = $38,695, 425hp

Then GM was selling the 2006 GTO 400hp for msrp $33,290

 

And where is the GTO now? How many did they sell and did anyone really want it?

I hear what you're saying- but you don't seem to want to accept the realities of what is happening. Ford is in big trouble. No it's not your fault.
But you can't expect them to keep doing what they were doing- that's how they got into the trouble they are in.
You also can't expect them to rush out and build the high HP Mustang you want. It just isn't on their immediate "to do" list.
Maybe in 09, perhaps 2010. But there are so many other factors at work that could kill any hope of that. Current concerns over gas supplies being one of them.

 

The problem with the GTO was the cavalier styleing and being the most impractical 4 seat car ever. Have you looked in the trunk of one of those. nearly a 3rd of the stangs and doesn't ahve fold down rear seats so absolutly nothing can fit in that car.

 

Boy, that SC 450hp Harley-Davidson F-150 Truck Ford is going to bring out this summer was a really big priority

How many of those things are they going to sell?

 

I really have no idea. But if it's coming out this summer that means it was planned a long time ago. So it would probably make no sense to kill the project at such a late date.
Also- the engine and upgrades already exist. So there probably is no real added cost.

I'm no engineer or mechanic- but you probably just can't drop the same 450hp engine into a mustang, so where are you going to get a 400+hp engine for the mustang???
It doesn't seem like Ford has one that is even close to being ready.

Plus there is the cost factor...all you guys want all this increased muscle and yet you only want to pay under 34k for it. Now just why in hell is Ford going to bend over backwards to supply you with a car that is 5k more than a GT, has 400hp and is limited to a production run of 7000 units?
My math says that adds up to 35 million dollars- which is a nice bit of change. But if they can sell the Bullitt without adding the 400hp engine- it will still amount to 35 million, but they get to keep more of it because of lower production costs.
So what do you think Ford is going to do?
I think the answer is obvious.

 

Well here's some more info on the truck-

DEARBORN, Mich., May 23, 2007 - America's best-selling, most capable full-size pickup now delivers the horsepower to make it one of the most powerful half-ton pickups on the market. The 450 horsepower supercharged Ford F-150 Harley-Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> Super Crew 4x2 hits the road this summer.
Born from tremendous customer reaction to the F-150 performance truck concept that was on display at the November 2006 SEMA show, the supercharged F-150 Harley-Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> packs the extra power punch that Ford truck enthusiasts have been demanding.
"Ford is the truck leader because we pay attention to what our customers want and move quickly to meet their needs," said Ben Poore, Ford Truck group marketing manager. "They told us they wanted a performance equipped truck so we worked with Saleen to bring the supercharged F-150 Harley-Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> to market in rapid fashion."
The supercharged F-150 Harley Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> is available in ebony black or dark amethyst with plenty of gleaming chrome, 22-inch oversized wheels and tires and a custom scalloped stripe that runs along the beltline that creates a glued-to-the-ground appearance. "Harley-Davidson" script runs along the bedside in three-dimensional chrome letters. Blacked-out headlamps and a unique chrome billet grille give it a distinctive, bold front-end.
Among other highlights:

• The SALEEN supercharger option is available through Ford dealers for $6500 MSRP. Base F-150 Harley-Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> pricing starts at $37,210 MSRP including $925 destination and delivery.
• The twin-screw supercharger is the same style as the one in the Shelby GT-500.
• A dual-stage water-to-air intercooler increases the supercharger's efficiency and adds performance by cooling the intake air.
• The volume from the exhaust is cranked up into a sustained growl.
• An available gauge pod with boost (PSI) and air-charge temperature (ACT) gauges monitors the system's performance.

The 2007 F-150 Harley-Davidson<SUP>™</SUP> truck is the ninth model to emerge from a Ford/Harley-Davidson partnership that began in 1999. The co-branding of the two storied 104-year-old companies has proven to be a successful formula with total sales of Ford F-Series Harley-Davidsons of nearly 60,000 units.
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So it would seem the sell roughly 7500 of these a year. And the engine upgrade is going to run you and extra $6500.
I can't see how you expect a Bullitt to cost under 34k?

 

MSRP for a 2007 Mustang GT Deluxe is $25,695 and $26,875 for the premium. I am seeing premiums between $28,500-$30,500 at the Dealerships. Those additional charges and/or mark-ups have nothing to do with Ford's tooling cost and purchasing cost, Labor etc.

Then you have to factor in that both the 4.6L & 5.4L have already paid for themselves many years ago. These aren't new engines!

Ask yourself this. Why is it such a priority to bring out a SC 450hp Harley Truck, when the F-Series is the #1 seller in the country?

One of the reasons Ford is in bad shape is because they do not give their autos the same treatment as they give their Trucks & SUV's.

 

They have had a number of improvements in the last few years (3-valve heads, VVT). That engineering time, along with the cost to certify the engines, has to be amortized still.

I generally agree with that.