2010-2014 Mustang Information on The S197 {GenII}

will 2011 have the 5.0 for sure?? how sure?

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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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What is that in the center of the dash. Looks like the self destruct button!
That is an Emergency Cutoff Switch, In case of any malfunctions it shuts down all electrical and fuel systems to prevent a fire.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 08:00 AM
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look, the part next to the 6.2L is covered up; does it say BOSS??

It probably does say BOSS on the engine cover? But so what? That motor will NOT be in a Mustang. Why? Its WAY TOO HEAVY!!! Ford has already stated it. Why would they put in a 6.2L heavy motor, that makes 400+hp, when they are making a 5.0L motor, that weights a good amount less, that makes 400+ hp?
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 08:42 AM
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exactly. its called boss. the mustang's engine is called coyote.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by MBK
exactly. its called boss. the mustang's engine is called coyote.
The large displacement engines were initally going to be called "Hurricane", but after Katrina, they thought better, and changed it to BOSS instead. While they cancelled the 5.8L, they kept the 6.2L for certain truck applications.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 05fordgt
The large displacement engines were initally going to be called "Hurricane", but after Katrina, they thought better, and changed it to BOSS instead. While they cancelled the 5.8L, they kept the 6.2L for certain truck applications.

History of that motor is so crazy. Started out as a pushrod motor in 5.8 and 6.2 displacements, named Hurricane. Cancelled. Restarted, switched to OHC, and 5.8, 6.2, and 7.0 displacements. Named changed to Boss. 5.8 cancelled, 7.0 up in the air, 6.2 ready for production. Boss named dropped.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Back in August, my source told me that the 5.0 is scheduled for February 2010 (2011MY).

Ford is working on a new SE as well. But, as of August it was behind schedule and it won't be ready until 2011MY.

I was also told back in August that the rumored "SVO Type" GDI 4 banger Mustang SE will not be ready until 2012MY at the earliest. The GDI 4 banger is behind schedule and will be in other models first.
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 11:46 AM
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Old Dec 2, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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If there's one thing that I absolutely hate about the S197 Mustang, its the fact that the mufflers are out back like the Japanese cars.... but thankfully we can "fix" that with a set of Boomtubes or Loudmouths! But I really wish they would have designed the chassis for a mid muffler system that is SUPPOSED to be on a Mustang!
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
If there's one thing that I absolutely hate about the S197 Mustang, its the fact that the mufflers are out back like the Japanese cars.... but thankfully we can "fix" that with a set of Boomtubes or Loudmouths! But I really wish they would have designed the chassis for a mid muffler system that is SUPPOSED to be on a Mustang!
Now There Is a Place The Mufflers Are SUPPOSED To Be Just Cause It's a Mustang Too? Jeeezzz!

Dude, the Mufflers Being Out Back Has Nothing to Do With "Japanese Cars" My 64 and 66 Thunderbird's Had them in the Same Place, So did my 89 Supercoupe, and My 97 T-Bird as well. It's all about packaging, and since Ford moved the Gas Tank From being Mounted Under the Trunk like the Fox Body, Further Forward and Below the Back Seat for Safety and Crash Standards, there is No Room for Mufflers Under There Any More.
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 03:22 AM
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At the rate the BIG 3 are going we'll be lucky if we even see 2011 lol..
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Old Dec 3, 2008 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MeisterMustang1979
At the rate the BIG 3 are going we'll be lucky if we even see 2011 lol..
Hey, I wouldn't be laughing (referring to the lol comment). You don't want either GM or Chrysler to go under. If one did, you and every other America will feel the ramificantions HARD! And if you haven't read any of the reports, Ford is in the best stance of the 3 auto makers. Relax, they are fine for a while.

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 07:52 AM
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BTW: Whatever happened to the Don Bowles/Jack Roush "777" 7-liter V8 derived (I guess) from the 6.2L truck version of the Hurricane/Boss/EcoBoost/Coyote/Whatever V8??? It ran at various dragstrips, turning low 9s in the 140s naturally aspirated, but blew when they went dipping into the 8s. I've heard nothing since.

Did Ford pull the plug on the effort? Was Don Bowles abducted by aliens? Did Jack Roush use the "777" to replace the Rolls Royce Merlin in his personal P-51B? Did John McCain say "I have the '777' right where I want it"? Did Jay Leno buy up all existing 777s and park them in Hangar 51? Is Steve Saleen secretly developing it for use in an S7 replacement? Does Carroll Shelby have it in his personal GR-1 concept? Is it providing electricity for the City of Cleveland? Did it have Bigfoot's baby?

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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaBear67
Now There Is a Place The Mufflers Are SUPPOSED To Be Just Cause It's a Mustang Too? Jeeezzz!

Dude, the Mufflers Being Out Back Has Nothing to Do With "Japanese Cars" My 64 and 66 Thunderbird's Had them in the Same Place, So did my 89 Supercoupe, and My 97 T-Bird as well. It's all about packaging, and since Ford moved the Gas Tank From being Mounted Under the Trunk like the Fox Body, Further Forward and Below the Back Seat for Safety and Crash Standards, there is No Room for Mufflers Under There Any More.
Sure, it's simple logic:

1- All V8 Mustangs since the beginning had the mufflers mid-chassis mounted. In fact, almost every musclecar/pony car since the beginning has had mid-mounted mufflers. So yes, that's the way it should be based upon how it's always been. I don't give a crap about Thunderbirds as they are not musclecars/pony cars.

2- Rear mounted mufflers are very common on Japanese cars and have been for quite some time now. So it makes perfect sense to draw a parallel between the muffler location of the S197 and Japanese cars

3- Packaging smackaging.... rear mounted mufflers are the primary reason that it is so hard to get that classis Mustang exhaust sound out of the S197 Mustang. Every Mustang GT from 1982 and on has had a very similar and distinctive exhaust sound that was basically lost on the S197. It's just a shame that they designed it that way, not to mention the way it looks. When we look at the back of a Mustang, we should see the end of two pipes, not the back of two mufflers.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:04 AM
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someone correct me if i'm wrong but the 5.0 is still technically a mod motor base right?
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Even Steven
I don't give a crap about Thunderbirds as they are not musclecars/pony cars.
You misread what he said. You said the mufflers in the rear was a Japanese thing and he responded that a '66 Thunderbird has them there. Obviously the Thunderbird isn't Japanese, which is the point he was making. He never said the Thunderbird was a muscle car/pony car.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Eights
BTW: Whatever happened to the Don Bowles/Jack Roush "777" 7-liter V8 derived (I guess) from the 6.2L truck version of the Hurricane/Boss/EcoBoost/Coyote/Whatever V8??? It ran at various dragstrips, turning low 9s in the 140s naturally aspirated, but blew when they went dipping into the 8s. I've heard nothing since.

Did Ford pull the plug on the effort? Was Don Bowles abducted by aliens? Did Jack Roush use the "777" to replace the Rolls Royce Merlin in his personal P-51B? Did John McCain say "I have the '777' right where I want it"? Did Jay Leno buy up all existing 777s and park them in Hangar 51? Is Steve Saleen secretly developing it for use in an S7 replacement? Does Carroll Shelby have it in his personal GR-1 concept? Is it providing electricity for the City of Cleveland? Did it have Bigfoot's baby?

Greg "Enquiring Minds Want to Know" Ates
As far as I know from what BlueII and 4Cam were saying, it was just a test program and they haven't been inclined to spend money developing it further in the current financial climate. I imagine the technology from 777 will find its way into other Ford and Roush efforts, but if 777 itself hits the street (be it as a Crate or a Roush package) it likely won't be until after the worst of this storm has passed.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Knight
someone correct me if i'm wrong but the 5.0 is still technically a mod motor base right?
Call it "Son of Mod"
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 01:05 PM
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my guess is they developed it to be superior to the LS line of engines in mind. with the OHC and more valves per cylinder in the future, it will be a better motor than the 6.2 or the 7.0 LS
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 03:25 PM
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Th C-3 Corvette isn't Japanese, and it's a bit more muscle-car than the Mustangs of the time. While it's not a pony car, Corvettes are still ranked with Muscle cars. It had very visible mufflers under the rear bumper.

I really hate when people make generalizations without throughly researching the facts.
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Old Dec 4, 2008 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Eights
Moosetang:Mustangs do not need to return to two-valve heads...
No, they most certainly do not.
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