IRS,better"quality"interior, selection of aluminum hoods

 

They better do something. A freind waiting for the last 6yrs for one went to a Chevy dealership and they said a loaded Camaro SS will be 34K.

 

MSRP. That means A there's going to be a huge mark-up on top of that or B he'll only get that price if the car ends up a big disappointment.

 

yeah there is no way fully loaded SS will be $34K. it'll be at least $40K before markups imo. thats why GM keeps saying the camaro is more 'upmarket' than the mustang

 

I know the Dual clutch trannies are faster, more efficient and more accurate but I just don't think I can give up my clutch pedal.

Maybe if the system had a launch control system.

 

Nobody outside GM knows the pricing scheme for the Camaro yet, and truth be told they may not know yet themselves. What I do know is that we can expect it to be expensive. I'll be surprised if a base SS starts at anything less than 32k, although I have a sneaking suspicion the auto tranny and stick versions may cost the same money or close it it since only the stick gets the full power LS3. Just a thought.

 

There is speculation that the auto may be actually quicker than the M6. It would not surprise me depending on the computer nannies.

 

For me, the car would need to be fairly priced on the base model and yet able to compete with the Challenger and Camaro base models. I'm not going to get delusional about having a GT or GT500 since those models are out of reach for me at this juncture. I'd be in the Challenger camp if it weren't for the fact that the base model doesn't have a stick option... for now. The Camaro is coming out with 300 hp V6 and a stick which sways me in it's direction over the Challenger. However, I really would much rather have my next car be a Mustang over those two choices. 300 hp in a base Stang would make me happy. If it had the coke bottle rear fenders like the original had then even better. If in addition to the fenders it had 1/4 window louvers then I would be all over it. Aside from those two things on the visual styling I would like to see a rear bumper that easily swaps for a dual exhaust GT style bumper that doesn't have a lip at the bottom that looks out of place when considering the look on the rest of the car.

 

Something to compete with the Z28. I want a 400+hp NA engine and a six speed.

 

2011, you'll have both.

 

Well I'm sure they won't put the louvers on for the sake of visibility and fearing lawsuits. But those are relatively cheap and easy to add.

275 HP is probably a reasonable expectation, and since the Mustang is lighter that will probably be a comparable performer to the Camaro.

And we know we are getting some sort of coke-bottle, hop-up, hippy shoulder like thing.

 

Ford could play the HP/WGT game pretty well, IIRC it can match the F5 in acceleration with about 22-25 fewer HP. To bad people would just see 275 V6 or 400 V8 and complain about Ford always being down on power.

 

I agree, the New Lincoln MKS has the 3.7 V6 with 275 HP so let's hope... V6 2010-2011 Mustang too

 

Wouldn't trade it in! NOT A CHANCE!! Now, I would add to the stable I was thinking of the 2011, with the 5.0, but I think I will save up for something special...the 50th Anniversary car, which will be the NEW NEW CAR (chassis, body, interior, the works). That is the one I want!!!

 

It will have to look better than the spy shots are indicating.

In particular, that cubism/Picasso inspired headlight turn signal thing will have to look much better with the wraps off than it seems to look with them on. It reminds me of the 1970 cars which, while being good looking cars, were (in my opinion - 70 Boss/Mach 1 owners need not flame me) a step backwards from the 1969 models. I'm not really optimistic about the clear/white lights between the tri-bar tailights on the rear yet either.

I'm waiting to see the 2010 to decide whether to buy a used 2004-2008 or get the new one.

If the new one is (IMO) ugly - or at least not as good looking as the current one, I'll buy a current car, eventually steal any great powertrain improvements from the 2010+.

Or ... I still might buy a Viper Coupe, which does everything I want it to do better than a Mustang - except without a backseat, with an exhaust note that sounds like someone shaking a box of rocks, and about $45K more expensive (comparing on the used market).

I've just been around Mustangs all my life and hate to change allegiances - or miss the Ford sponsored open track events/car shows that all my Ford friends are at. and... yes I've thought about it, but Ford GT's are just too much (and unfortunately for me getting more expensive).

 

Perry H: Well said, Perry H. I don't like those cheesy turnsignals in the headlight bezels, and chrome trim around them makes ugly turn into hideous. And those awful back-up lights!

All that was needed was:

(a) a rear-fender kickup like the first three editions of Mustangs
(b) an in-the-glass radio antenna instead of some dorky stalk anywhere on the car
(c) replace the "oblique L" on each side with a true "C scoop" as on the '65 Mustangs
(d) separate the taillights into six separate lamps similar to the '67 Mustangs
(e) replace the side mirrors with body-colored mirrors in a teardrop shape as found on late-'Sixties Torino/Cyclone coupes
(f) trash and destroy that awful faux gascap
(g) replace the steering wheel with something a little less pregnant
(h) replace the stick-on "GT" emblems with painted emblems or "GT" decals as was done on the Boss 302 and Boss 429

Then leave well enough alone! How hard can this be???

 

Except, for you left out the hips

 

agreed- this appears to be the "hips" everyone is talking about.

requires new glass, I think the greenhouse is carryover from current S197.

Ok.

I think this was discussed at length on a separate forum, but six separate lamps are much more expensive than two which are made to look separate- and you can't put the rear bumper over them because of crash and service requirements (i.e. Ford would not allow for the tail light to be covered by the bumper, requiring the bumper to be removed to then remove the tailight. )

agreed.

I don't get this- is it that its faux or is it the design/shape of it? Seems like you want everything else to be exact copies of the old cars, so why not this piece as well?

Changing a steering wheel probably means re-engineering the airbag- not sure if they did this or not.

Decals scratch and fade, painting each one would cost alot of cash. Maybe just in the rocker stripe?

Leaving well enough alone is a great way to let a product die, i.e. Taurus, Navigator, Explorer, etc etc. I am glad Ford is taking the Mustang and its competition seriously.

 

m05fastbackGT: Nope! Re-read item "(a)", reprinted below:

"(a) a rear-fender kickup like the first three editions of Mustangs"

It is only Y2K and later that it has become vogue for the rear-fender kickup to be referred to as "hips". This was NEVER done during the era of the original Mustangs.

Maybe it's because texting "hips" is so much easier than texting "rear-fender kickup"...

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

gnat-sum: We agree to a great degree!

Yeah, the rear-fender kickup is commonly referred to by the texting generation as "hips", something NEVER done back in the day...

New glass, for sure...but I'd pay for new glass to rid Mustangs of pathetic antenna stalks. Sometimes you have to face up to the fact that a better vehicle will cost additional dough...This same argument applies to six individual taillights as well. However, the taillights can be two taillights installed from inside the trunk on each side, but shining through three vertical, rectangular holes on each side of the rear of the Mustang. The holes create the appearance of six individual units without actually being six individual units. This could also get around any bumper or bumper fascia issues easily enough--the taillight housing would be attached/removed from inside the trunk, not from the outside.

The faux gas cap: Faux anything (scoops, nasty plastic engine covers a la Corvette, yada yada yada) sucks, but these faux gas caps are ugly and suck. Clean up the rear end and get rid of those dorky POSs! It ain't about following some retromanic styling mantra--it's about good taste! Leave tackiness to the new Camaro interiors...

Everyone here can name several, numerous, or perhaps even many cars that have better-looking steering wheels--even with airbags--than the steering wheels found in Mustangs. A better job must be done--I think the problem is that no one has bothered to make the effort, and that's a failure on the part of those who should be relentlessly trying to create affordable greatness. "Good enough" is the rallying cry of mediocrity...

Stick on emblems are fine for appliances, I guess, but hardly adequate for the second-most-recognized manufactured product on the planet Earth (the Coca-Cola bottle is number one, and the Avtomat Kalshnikov Sorok Sem' (the Soviet-designed AK-47 assault rifle) is number three. Why do you think there are no emblems on Mustang spelling out "Mustang" or even "Ford"? Product recognition like that can't be bought, borrowed, or stolen by the Marketing Department--only a quality reputation through thick and thin, year after year, can get you that...

For 31 years, I lamented while Mustangs wandered aimlessly in the styling wilderness (1971 through 2004): The beached whale abominations of 1971 through 1973, the cutesy 1974s through 1978s, the drab Foxes, the puckered ******* grilles that hung on Mustangs until 2005, the two-door Tauruses with the C-scoops and a shoulder crease on each side of the late 'Nineties models. Finally, Hau Thai Tang led his vehicle out of the Darkness and into the Light--and we now have a Mustang that is what a Mustang should be!

Line up side-by-side or nose-to-tail a '65 Mustang fastback, a '67 Mustang fastback, a '69 Mustang fastback, and a 2005 Mustang fastback and you will see pure, unadulterated, undiluted Mustang DNA. There's no mistaking the lineage and the heritage there! The DNA was lost in those 31 years in which Mustangs were styled to "be more contemporary". The Javelin, the Cougar, the Barracuda, the Challenger, the Camaro, and the Firebird were all imitation Mustangs that their manufacturers strived to keep "more contemporary" and what happened to every damned one of them?

Mustang's a Mustang once again, and it's better than ever. Improve it, but never f**k with it. The resurrected imitations will soon be footnotes in the dusty annals of automotive failure yet again, because there just ain't no future in "Profit Through Imitation".

Are you listening, GM and Dodge? You'd better while you still can...

Some of us will accept only the genuine item, and we demand Mustangs. For others, an imitation is plenty good enough, and they'll settle for Challengers and Camaros.

Greg "Eights" Ates