What would the 2010 have to have for you to buy/trade up???
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Next stop, Cobra R Hood!
Take your time Ford, you did such a great job on the 05's I am doing real good!
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From: Milwaukee, WI
The only place you notice it is at the pump.
Remember Ford has to build a car that people can drive every day. Despite the fact that a large number of people on this board just have them as weekend/summer cars, the majority of Mustang buyers drive it every day, year round.
Tasca Super Boss 429 Member
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Depends on the setup, not all deactivations are equal. Take the Camaro, to get Variable Displacement in the L99 you also loose a few horses compared to the stock LS3
For me:
IRS (speed without control is nothing)
Six speed (a gear for every situation)
Better brakes (go power needs appropriate whoa power)
Better seats (if my butt ain't happy, ain't nobody happy)
Bit more power out of the 4.6 (but a 400hp 5.0 would really nail it.)
This presumes that the updated styling (exterior and interior) and better interior materials and finish are well executed. I think the above would make it fully competitive with the Challenger and Camaro as well as the various foreign challengers (direct and indirect -- it gets fuzzy here). Potentially, Ford could have a half-price, working man's M3 here, finally living up to its Bold Moves sloganeering.
IRS (speed without control is nothing)
Six speed (a gear for every situation)
Better brakes (go power needs appropriate whoa power)
Better seats (if my butt ain't happy, ain't nobody happy)
Bit more power out of the 4.6 (but a 400hp 5.0 would really nail it.)
This presumes that the updated styling (exterior and interior) and better interior materials and finish are well executed. I think the above would make it fully competitive with the Challenger and Camaro as well as the various foreign challengers (direct and indirect -- it gets fuzzy here). Potentially, Ford could have a half-price, working man's M3 here, finally living up to its Bold Moves sloganeering.
Well, better seats ... for one :-)
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From: Chicago
For me:
IRS (speed without control is nothing)
Six speed (a gear for every situation)
Better brakes (go power needs appropriate whoa power)
Better seats (if my butt ain't happy, ain't nobody happy)
Bit more power out of the 4.6 (but a 400hp 5.0 would really nail it.)
This presumes that the updated styling (exterior and interior) and better interior materials and finish are well executed. I think the above would make it fully competitive with the Challenger and Camaro as well as the various foreign challengers (direct and indirect -- it gets fuzzy here). Potentially, Ford could have a half-price, working man's M3 here, finally living up to its Bold Moves sloganeering.
IRS (speed without control is nothing)
Six speed (a gear for every situation)
Better brakes (go power needs appropriate whoa power)
Better seats (if my butt ain't happy, ain't nobody happy)
Bit more power out of the 4.6 (but a 400hp 5.0 would really nail it.)
This presumes that the updated styling (exterior and interior) and better interior materials and finish are well executed. I think the above would make it fully competitive with the Challenger and Camaro as well as the various foreign challengers (direct and indirect -- it gets fuzzy here). Potentially, Ford could have a half-price, working man's M3 here, finally living up to its Bold Moves sloganeering.
Tasca Super Boss 429 Member
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If the L99 is just the LS3 with VD, and the LS3 w/auto is making 425 in the Aussie's cars, the only explanation for the L99 having less is the VD.
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First... I love my <name pending> and so it'd be very difficult to pry me away.
However, if Ford offered a 300 HP V8 with Deactivation in it, 6 speeds, fatter tires, and it looked good (which I've not seen the final results, but the taillights and the headlights look... not so good so far) with at least as many things I have in mine options wise, and offered it for the bargain basement price of $18500 (as, you know, they're hurtin', so they gotta sell, Sell, SELL!!) then I may possibly consider it.
But only if it came in Emberglo. That's the deal breaker.
Sorry, but it's just not enough in my opinion to pry me away from <name pending>. I *do* hope it sells well, though! Be a shame to have to hear about the Mustang IV (as III was already used) and it be harkening back to those cars. Nothing against them, but... well... ya know. It's not Mustang enough. Although if you put a modern 5.0 in them... whoo hoo! And I do miss my 78 still. Fun little POS.
However, if Ford offered a 300 HP V8 with Deactivation in it, 6 speeds, fatter tires, and it looked good (which I've not seen the final results, but the taillights and the headlights look... not so good so far) with at least as many things I have in mine options wise, and offered it for the bargain basement price of $18500 (as, you know, they're hurtin', so they gotta sell, Sell, SELL!!) then I may possibly consider it.
But only if it came in Emberglo. That's the deal breaker.
Sorry, but it's just not enough in my opinion to pry me away from <name pending>. I *do* hope it sells well, though! Be a shame to have to hear about the Mustang IV (as III was already used) and it be harkening back to those cars. Nothing against them, but... well... ya know. It's not Mustang enough. Although if you put a modern 5.0 in them... whoo hoo! And I do miss my 78 still. Fun little POS.
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with all due respect, i don't want a "working man's M3" i want a mustang and whatever improvements they make i hope they do keep its ruggedness; also, i have no problem with the seats and this is after a 9 hour drive to KC i had more problems with the seats in the honda
Well, by working man's M3, I mean the M3's supreme and multifaceted performance capabilities, and ruggedness too (the M3 is anything but under-engineered for extreme performance duty), for a price a salary-man can reasonably afford. Combine the Stang's right-sizedness with contemporary-class brakes and suspension, add another cog and a 400hp 5.0 and voila, M3 class performance at half the price.
Maybe the full brake and IRS kit would be best reserved for an SE (Boss 302 is oh so obvious -- the original was kind of a domestic M3 of its day), but I could see such a configuration at around the low $30K mark. Certainly the Stang would retain its own character and I don't see how overall performance excellence would compromise that unless one defines the Mustang by its weaknesses (wimpy brakes, apple-cart suspension, family sedan-class seats...)
Maybe the full brake and IRS kit would be best reserved for an SE (Boss 302 is oh so obvious -- the original was kind of a domestic M3 of its day), but I could see such a configuration at around the low $30K mark. Certainly the Stang would retain its own character and I don't see how overall performance excellence would compromise that unless one defines the Mustang by its weaknesses (wimpy brakes, apple-cart suspension, family sedan-class seats...)
