Stock A6 5.0 - 12.73 @ 115
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The 5.0 auto that ran the 12.7 @ 115 is my car this car is 100% stock i have had people think otherwise, but until you have ridden in a new 5.0 auto you wouldn't understand the top end these cars have its incredible. I launched off idle with the traction control on which is why the 2.0 60s. The videos will be posted shortly on you tube
What I (and Gene K) are trying to point out is that the 1/4 mile trap speed is way off from where it should be and the timers at the track were probably not placed correctly. The 1/4 mile ET totally makes sense, but that is checked by a seperate beam at the actual finish line, while the trap speed is calculated by two seperate beams to average the speed from 66' before to 66' after the actual finish line. I suspect that those two beams were inadvertantly moved too close together, erroneously showing less time to travel between them and, therefor, inflating your trap speed. The car in the right lane appears to have suffered the same inflation of trap speed as a 104+ trap speed is indicative of a low-mid 13 second run - not a 14.41 pass.
I also can't help but notice that you were going nearly 88 at the 1/8 mile. My supercharged '07 GT averages about 89 to the 1/8 mile. I suspect that my centrifugal supercharged 4.6L (which has about 40-50 more hp at the flywheel than an '11 GT) should pull harder than your 5.0L - yet, I typically average about 111-112 mph in the 1/4 mile. I find it hard to believe that your heavier, less powerful N/A Mustang could beat me in trap speed (by 3-4 mph) from the 1/8 to 1/4 mark.
Again, the 115 1/4 mile trap speed just doesn't compute. All the other numbers on your timeslip totally make sense and the '11 GT (manual or automatic) is one helluva beast.
Last edited by Five Oh Brian; 5/29/10 at 07:20 PM.
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This is entirely believable. Go check out what Challengers run over at ChallengerTalk - R/T automatics are routinely running high 12's to very low 13's, while 6-speeds are nearly .50 second behind. Automatic R/Ts (no, not SRT8s) typically run very low 13's, and with a tune, muffler/mid pipe/and a techicallyacoldairkit and good air, high 12's are pretty common.
Remember the amazement when the 5-speed autos appeared in the new Mustangs and were nearly spot on with the 5-speeds? This isn't a slushy AOD-E that hamstrung a Mustang like in the past.
Manuals though are going to be more manageable in an auto-cross and unless there are timing lights at stop lights with a scoreboard, a lot more fun and you look 84% cooler nailing a 2-3 upshift.
Remember the amazement when the 5-speed autos appeared in the new Mustangs and were nearly spot on with the 5-speeds? This isn't a slushy AOD-E that hamstrung a Mustang like in the past.
Manuals though are going to be more manageable in an auto-cross and unless there are timing lights at stop lights with a scoreboard, a lot more fun and you look 84% cooler nailing a 2-3 upshift.
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2.0's to the sixty foot make sense with a stock converter and is actually decent (an aftermarket converter would improve that by at least .25 second assuming traction).
What I (and Gene K) are trying to point out is that the 1/4 mile trap speed is way off from where it should be and the timers at the track were probably not placed correctly. The 1/4 mile ET totally makes sense, but that is checked by a seperate beam at the actual finish line, while the trap speed is calculated by two seperate beams to average the speed from 66' before to 66' after the actual finish line. I suspect that those two beams were inadvertantly moved too close together, erroneously showing less time to travel between them and, therefor, inflating your trap speed. The car in the right lane appears to have suffered the same inflation of trap speed as a 104+ trap speed is indicative of a low-mid 13 second run - not a 14.41 pass.
I also can't help but notice that you were going nearly 88 at the 1/8 mile. My supercharged '07 GT averages about 89 to the 1/8 mile. I suspect that my centrifugal supercharged 4.6L (which has about 40-50 more hp at the flywheel than an '11 GT) should pull harder than your 5.0L - yet, I typically average about 111-112 mph in the 1/4 mile. I find it hard to believe that your heavier, less powerful N/A Mustang could beat me in trap speed (by 3-4 mph) from the 1/8 to 1/4 mark.
Again, the 115 1/4 mile trap speed just doesn't compute. All the other numbers on your timeslip totally make sense and the '11 GT (manual or automatic) is one helluva beast.
What I (and Gene K) are trying to point out is that the 1/4 mile trap speed is way off from where it should be and the timers at the track were probably not placed correctly. The 1/4 mile ET totally makes sense, but that is checked by a seperate beam at the actual finish line, while the trap speed is calculated by two seperate beams to average the speed from 66' before to 66' after the actual finish line. I suspect that those two beams were inadvertantly moved too close together, erroneously showing less time to travel between them and, therefor, inflating your trap speed. The car in the right lane appears to have suffered the same inflation of trap speed as a 104+ trap speed is indicative of a low-mid 13 second run - not a 14.41 pass.
I also can't help but notice that you were going nearly 88 at the 1/8 mile. My supercharged '07 GT averages about 89 to the 1/8 mile. I suspect that my centrifugal supercharged 4.6L (which has about 40-50 more hp at the flywheel than an '11 GT) should pull harder than your 5.0L - yet, I typically average about 111-112 mph in the 1/4 mile. I find it hard to believe that your heavier, less powerful N/A Mustang could beat me in trap speed (by 3-4 mph) from the 1/8 to 1/4 mark.
Again, the 115 1/4 mile trap speed just doesn't compute. All the other numbers on your timeslip totally make sense and the '11 GT (manual or automatic) is one helluva beast.
Comparing the 1/8 to 1/4 from your car to the stock 5.0 is wrong since you are running drag radials, your launch to 1/8 is going to be better but the 5.0's power shows up and runs you down from the 1/8 to the 1/4.
One more thing, I do agree 115 is higher then i would expect and would like to see timeslips from a few passes. But I don't feel it is off as much as you feel to believe.
Last edited by Knight; 5/30/10 at 12:55 PM.
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In the first place it likely doesnt make enough power to pick up 28 mph in that distance from a near 88 mph start speed and in the second if it did make enough power it would likely have to be stopped down for about 150' after the 1/8 mile to make that split with those traps. It only takes me 4.55 going from 85.1 to 107.7 mph.
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Exactly i will be heading to a different track this coming week to see if the MPH is truly accurate. I myself was surprised with the MPH but in the same area every other car there was in the right MPH and i did both passes in both lanes. So in essence whenever the track officials saw my car they decided to move the beams a little
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Nice times for sure. The Auto's these days are miles ahead of anything in the past. Hell the CTS-V auto is faster than the manual and I'd be willing to bet money that an LS3 equipped auto Camaro would beat the Manual SS as well. They might "rob" hp on a dyno, but the real world advantages of torque multiplication, faster and more consistant shifting, and programmed shifting at optimal inputs as per the designers of the engine all on top of the gearing advantage all eat away at the advantages the manuals once enjoyed.
I've also owned my share of Cummins diesel pickup trucks, so I know what real torque is. Not saying the 5.0 is anything like that, but I've been amazed at how well the new 5.0 pulls from low RPM. For example, in easy driving, the automatic may shift into a higher gear and lockup the torque converter which drops the RPM to 1,000. Even when going up a hill, the engine will easily pull and accelerate the car from 1,000 RPM with no sensation of lugging, pinging, or any type of complaint. That is amazing considering this engine's performance, RPM range, and 11.0:1 compression. My 2010 Mustang GT 4.6L manual 5-speed would not do that. That engine was relatively gutless below 3,000 compared to the 5.0L.
The 6-speed automatic will quickly gain more respect when there are more of them out there and folks see for themselves what it can do.
Lastly, the 2011 Mustang GT is one helluva car. I'm not just speaking of awesome performance, but also quality of workmanship, quality of materials, design, style, it's the complete package. I'm still in awe of the car. It's the real deal.
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i would disagree...Comparing the 1/8 to 1/4 from your car to the stock 5.0 is wrong since you are running drag radials, your launch to 1/8 is going to be better but the 5.0's power shows up and runs you down from the 1/8 to the 1/4.
One more thing, I do agree 115 is higher then i would expect and would like to see timeslips from a few passes. But I don't feel it is off as much as you feel to believe.
One more thing, I do agree 115 is higher then i would expect and would like to see timeslips from a few passes. But I don't feel it is off as much as you feel to believe.
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Looks like we have our answer as to whether the 2011 6-speed auto Mustang GT can do 115MPH in the quarter. Evo Performance ran a 117MPH (11.98) with their 2011 auto ...and with no power adders (only a CAI and tune, and some suspension/tire changes).
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Six hours ago, Evolution Performance reported on their facebook page: "First Automatic 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V in The 11's - 11.98 @ 117 MPH N/A! Grabber Blue FTW....!!!!"
Only Suspension Mods were Steeda Ultralite Lowering Springs and an Evolution Performance, Inc. Adjustable Panhard Bar! Track Temp was 127 Degrees and the outside Temp was 93 Degrees! The Car was Full Weight, 19" Wheels on the Front with 18X9" Wheels On The Back with M/T Drag Radials. CAI, tune and lt's
http://www.facebook.com/teamevo?v=wa...27151057324499
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Six hours ago, Evolution Performance reported on their facebook page: "First Automatic 2011 Mustang GT 5.0L 4V in The 11's - 11.98 @ 117 MPH N/A! Grabber Blue FTW....!!!!"
Only Suspension Mods were Steeda Ultralite Lowering Springs and an Evolution Performance, Inc. Adjustable Panhard Bar! Track Temp was 127 Degrees and the outside Temp was 93 Degrees! The Car was Full Weight, 19" Wheels on the Front with 18X9" Wheels On The Back with M/T Drag Radials. CAI, tune and lt's
http://www.facebook.com/teamevo?v=wa...27151057324499
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This weekend Same track, Sacramento Raceway i pulled a 12.57 @ 115. Still all stock just learning how to launch with the stock 235 tires. The auto times are coming in and finally backing me up
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Holy crap these auto's are fast from the factory. I thought it felt fast even accelerating from highway speeds, this just confirms it. I've never been happier that I got an auto.
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Hey guys, I asked this on another thread.- no answers
Is any one with an auto(50.) getting any engine "ping"? I had it off and on driving back to Fl. from Pa. and was using only 93. - even with moderate acceleration. At first I thought it was mountain elevation, but I also notice it at lower levels. Think maybe the sensors or computer is having a hard time figuring out what type of driving I'm doing? Or maybe not all these stations are selling the same octane?
Is any one with an auto(50.) getting any engine "ping"? I had it off and on driving back to Fl. from Pa. and was using only 93. - even with moderate acceleration. At first I thought it was mountain elevation, but I also notice it at lower levels. Think maybe the sensors or computer is having a hard time figuring out what type of driving I'm doing? Or maybe not all these stations are selling the same octane?
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Hey guys, I asked this on another thread.- no answers
Is any one with an auto(50.) getting any engine "ping"? I had it off and on driving back to Fl. from Pa. and was using only 93. - even with moderate acceleration. At first I thought it was mountain elevation, but I also notice it at lower levels. Think maybe the sensors or computer is having a hard time figuring out what type of driving I'm doing? Or maybe not all these stations are selling the same octane?
Is any one with an auto(50.) getting any engine "ping"? I had it off and on driving back to Fl. from Pa. and was using only 93. - even with moderate acceleration. At first I thought it was mountain elevation, but I also notice it at lower levels. Think maybe the sensors or computer is having a hard time figuring out what type of driving I'm doing? Or maybe not all these stations are selling the same octane?
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Great time! Btw, now I understand better why the 2011 Mustang GT auto literally blew the doors off the 2010 Camaro SS auto at Ford's Media event (you may recall the well-publicized videos of the Mustang/Camaro drag race at the air strip). Not only does the Camaro SS auto have less horsepower (400) than the Mustang GT 5.0 automatic, the Mustang auto is **** quick ... and pretty consistently so!
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