LEXiiON

He didn't say platform. He said block. Different things.

LEXiiON

ford20

I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. The block on the 4.6, doesn't matter if it is a 2V, 3V, 4V, 20 millionV is better than the 5.0 block. It is the one area where I feel the 4.6 outshines the 5.0 even though the 3V is a very capable engine. When is the last time you have seen any 4.6 do this?




That lead to things like supports similar to what the Honda guys are using on their motors such as these.




It also lead Ford Racing to develop the Sportsman block here.




It didn't quite work out all that well though. Although most of the big boys do what I have done to my block here and just sleeve it like this.




If someone tries to tell you the 5.0's block is stronger than the 4.6, well that is a bit of a fallacy. Around the 1000HP mark the water jacket will begin to push out due to boost pressure and since there is nothing to support the cylinder wall it will egg and eventually crack or break which is why most people will sleeve the block and put in their supports or do one or the other.

Now that being said, the 5.0 is the better platform for making power without a doubt more so than the 3V is. The heads on the 3V are very good and either exceed the flow on the 4V heads or are just behind them, I forget which I would have to look it up but that isn't really important. The heads on the Coyote will outflow all of them and even more so, the heads on the GT350 which are the best of the best at this point in time from the factory. I would like to know what the flow rates on those heads are though and try and compare them to my 2015 Stage 2 heads though. The 5.0 is an extremely efficent motor which is why it can do so much with so little displacement. I wouldn't be surprised to see that JPC is making over 1700HP with their Coyote considering what kind of times they are running. Now the 6.2 .... that is a beast just begging to be unleashed!!! If only they used 1 spark plug instead of 2 I think we would see a lot more of them being used in racing.

FromZto5

^ thanks for the post, Sean. I just got smarter in 20 seconds of reading that. Appreciate it.

2011 Kona Blue

He might be the only person I have heard to say the 4.6 block is better than the 5.0 block

Bert

not very important, just find the idea of over 400 HP very alluring, since I am a child of the 60's and teenager of the 70's, that's kind of a magic number that beats most of the cars from "back in the day" that I always wanted but couldn'd have

That's more like what I was hoping to hear! thanks, sounds like a plan

And about the 4.6 block -- as I understand it, the new 5.0 block is basically a bored-out 4.6, and that's why the cylinder walls are thinner and can't take the same extreme high pressures

2011 Kona Blue

Well, if your looking for 400 rwhp because its the magic number, that's easy to do with the 3V. Buy a supercharger and done , your there. What will a SC cost ya?

ford20

I will say the same thing you once told me .... only with a slight twist for the discussion.

"Please don't take this the wrong way but you must not be that familiar with the Modular V8 performance community threads or the actual Modular V8 itself. If you are an owner of a Modular V8 you have not been in it for very long."

There is nothing wrong with not knowing any of these things and in fact they are things you tend to learn as you delve deeper into the 5.0 and past your simple blower type installs or bolt on builds and more into the "hardcore" for lack of a better term, performance category's of these builds where you start to gain the insight and the technical details on these engines that you might not gain otherwise. That above little factoid is common knowledge though when you get onto places like S197 Forum or SVTPerformance or Anything Coyote Mustang Related on Facebook. I remember when Sam 19cobra93 posted a picture of his buddies motor that had a cracked water jacket when he was only making 750HP or Terry "Beefcake" Reeves had his block fail on him and I remember asking Eric@JPC Racing about what the new block was for that FRPP gave them to test out when he explained it to me.

You don't have to believe me, that is cool it is no skin off my back. The mind, once stretched by a new idea, can never return to its original dimensions.

I mean sort of. They had to share the same bore spacing, deck height etc. to retain the same size as the 4.6 motors on the line and they also share the same stroke which is why people grabbed the Boss rods for a cheap forged rotating assembly on the 4.6L's. Outside of that there is still a LOT different about the two blocks. Oil and cooling passages are routed differently, camshaft position sensors are placed on the back of the 5.0 instead of on the front like the 3V's. The pulse ring is now on the back of the motor instead of on the front of the crank among some other things.

A few pages back he said he didn't want to really do that because of the Roush Stage 3 that runs at his track being heat soaked. You can build your 3V and get in the 390-400HP range if you want and stay N/A, just takes a lot to do it that way, but the recipe is still pretty basic.

You can do a 5.0 swap and grab a F-150 motor as they are the same motors except for a slightly lower compression (I think half a point, maybe one point less) and different cams which you would be able to swap out pretty easily and upgrade to Billet Oil Pump gears really easily if you wanted to. Swapping the motor is the easy part considering the 5.0 uses the same bellhousing pattern as all other modular motors does it is just the wiring and getting everything to work perfectly that is the hard part. Here is a hardcore drag 5.0 swap if you want to look through it.

http://www.s197forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49889


Lito was also working on a 5.0 swap for one of his customers in Venezuela I will have to look and see if I can find the thread on that as well.

2011 Kona Blue

I'm definitely not that familiar with V8 community, 4.6 or 5.0 as well. I don't own one, never owned one, don't care if I own one and may never own one. With that said, I like mustangs and always try to learn different things about them. I do partake in many mustang forums and mustang sites and read V8 threads along with 3.7 threads.

Granted I'm far more in the know with my 3.7 because that's what I have but I don't turn a blind eye to other models. I enjoy learning whether its V8, V6 or turbo 4. I'm not saying I don't believe you , just your the first I've heard to say the 4.6 block is a better block than the 5.0 block.

So I'm not offended in the least because I'm not all that familiar with what the high performance V8 guys are doing. I don't have a V8 and if I did have a V8 I'm not interested in having 1500 plus HP. My crappy 300 rwhp 3.7 is plenty fun for me to drive too car shows and trips to Wal Mart.

Bert

that's a great thought, SC can be done for under $6K . . . but the "magic number" thing is kind of a joke, not overheating during a 30-minute track session is more important so the SC is really not the best way to go

2011 Kona Blue

A larger intercooler won't help with overheating during a 30 minute track session?

SpeedCostsMoney

I really missed my old 2010 so I got another one.









Here is a sound clip

http://vid1299.photobucket.com/album...ps9aeiognx.mp4

2011 Kona Blue

What's done to your exhaust system? That doesn't sound factory?

SpeedCostsMoney

It has a x-pipe and exhaust. What make the sound is the cam and tune.

2011 Kona Blue

Yeah man. Sounded fantastic. I didn't think that was stock. Lol. The larger cams sound great.

SpeedCostsMoney

Looks like they are comp cams, with Bama tune, I am not sure what the Exhaust is yet but it is from the headers back with a X-pipe.

SpeedCostsMoney

I got some upgrades!

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Coyote5-0

Looks much better with those wheels!! Just keep them tires shined

SpeedCostsMoney

I few more upgrades. Anyone else still sporting their 2010?

SpectreH

That is one nice 2010!

SpeedCostsMoney

Some updates! Show those 2010's everyone! They are still around.