No 5.8L boss for Mustang
6/20/07, 05:43 AM
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Think of the dynamic state of the engine - smaller engines don't nessecarily equate to better fuel consumption (unless all things are equal relative to the size of the engine - ie; engine speed - amount of air entering the engine relative to its max volume, ect, ect, ect.) Its why GM stuffs relatively big engines in thier vehicles. The vehicles can loaf along at super low engine speeds with the throttle just cracked enough to keep it going while closing off a few cylinders.
I know I would like to see that 5.8L Boss happen!
6/20/07, 05:54 AM
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Cheaper yes, but more specifically less powerful variants. I actually thought that the price of the GTO was a pretty good deal overall, it's just that I think that 400 hp is more car than most people are looking for. It'll be interesting to see how low GM can get the price of the Camaro, and Ford the Mustang if it gets the new Boss V8.
I believe the die hard Camaro & Firebird buyers felt the same way about the styling, and decided either to wait for something new from GM or graduate to a Corvette.
GM has proven that they can produce & sell a 400hp car at a reasonable price. Considering the Mustang GT Premiums are near or sometimes over $30k, I expect by the time the Camaros hit the lots, that they will not be too far ahead of the Mustangs.
6/20/07, 10:57 AM
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I don't know if anyone said this or not, because I'm too lazy to read through 5 pages...
I don't think they should put such a large engine in the GT. 5.8 for a mass production engine won't happen, at least I wouldn't think. The largest I would guess the GT's engine would be is 5.0. Since EPA is screwing everyone, FoMoCo has to come up with some new engine designs to both increase fuel effeciency and power. Normally, power would be achieved by just slapping in a bigger block and call it a night, but that wouldn't to anything for the MPGs. Personally, I don't want to see a GT costing $50 to fill up and only lasting 100 miles.
I would like to see this come 2010.
3.5 v6 18k msrp
3.5 v6 TT 26-30k msrp
5.0 GT 26-30k msrp
5.8 SE 40k msrp
7.0 SE (a Boss 429 would be LOVELY!!!) probably a 50k msrp
But, that's also my preference. Since the TT v6 will have larger hp than the GT, but still cost less to make, I would think they would make it around the same msrp. In all aspects or engines, bigger isn't always better. Like I said, I would think they would keep a smaller engine for mass produced GTs and save the larger blocks for SEs.
I don't think they should put such a large engine in the GT. 5.8 for a mass production engine won't happen, at least I wouldn't think. The largest I would guess the GT's engine would be is 5.0. Since EPA is screwing everyone, FoMoCo has to come up with some new engine designs to both increase fuel effeciency and power. Normally, power would be achieved by just slapping in a bigger block and call it a night, but that wouldn't to anything for the MPGs. Personally, I don't want to see a GT costing $50 to fill up and only lasting 100 miles.
I would like to see this come 2010.
3.5 v6 18k msrp
3.5 v6 TT 26-30k msrp
5.0 GT 26-30k msrp
5.8 SE 40k msrp
7.0 SE (a Boss 429 would be LOVELY!!!) probably a 50k msrp
But, that's also my preference. Since the TT v6 will have larger hp than the GT, but still cost less to make, I would think they would make it around the same msrp. In all aspects or engines, bigger isn't always better. Like I said, I would think they would keep a smaller engine for mass produced GTs and save the larger blocks for SEs.
6/20/07, 12:55 PM
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one thing you are forgetting is that large displacement doesn't mean bad mileage.
6L vette gets better mileage then the 5.7 it replaced. The 6L or the 5.7L vette also get better mileage then the 4.6L mustang. partially due to the weight savings but still.
6L vette gets better mileage then the 5.7 it replaced. The 6L or the 5.7L vette also get better mileage then the 4.6L mustang. partially due to the weight savings but still.
6/20/07, 01:28 PM
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And the fact that the MPG will be across the whole Ford line...so doesn't neccesarily mean the Mustang GT has to have a small engine. Other smaller engined cars will help lower that number. And seeing as the mustang only sells what... 160,000-180,000 a year...
Heck they could put the 6.2L boss in there, and still be offset by the 3.5 in the V6, AND have lower overall mileage than the previous years
Good read:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527559
So lets not all go crazy k?
Heck they could put the 6.2L boss in there, and still be offset by the 3.5 in the V6, AND have lower overall mileage than the previous years
Good read:
http://web.camaross.com/forums/showthread.php?t=527559
So lets not all go crazy k?
6/22/07, 09:27 AM
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But, that's also my preference. Since the TT v6 will have larger hp than the GT, but still cost less to make, I would think they would make it around the same msrp. In all aspects or engines, bigger isn't always better. Like I said, I would think they would keep a smaller engine for mass produced GTs and save the larger blocks for SEs.
The nice thing about having a a TTV6 and a V8 in various displacements is the ability to cover so many segments in the market, add some rear suspension options and this car could cover everything from muscle car to sports coupe.
6/22/07, 10:34 AM
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Depends I suppose, adding displacement has always been the cheapest route. When the SVO and GT Mustangs roamed the earth, the GT was the cheaper of the two and offered similar performance, dooming the SVO. It would be far cheaper to add two cylinders to the 3v 4.6 to get the added displacement needed for the extra power than strapping two turbos on a V6 (with all the extra hardware needed).
The nice thing about having a a TTV6 and a V8 in various displacements is the ability to cover so many segments in the market, add some rear suspension options and this car could cover everything from muscle car to sports coupe.
The nice thing about having a a TTV6 and a V8 in various displacements is the ability to cover so many segments in the market, add some rear suspension options and this car could cover everything from muscle car to sports coupe.
6/22/07, 10:55 AM
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You have to remember that all these engines are being Mass produced. Plus, adding SC, T or TT isn't as expensive as you may think. It isn't like you or me buying a T or SC. Since Ford is buying so many of them, they are getting a good deal from their supplier. There is also a very good chance that the Mustang would share the same engine or something similar with another Ford Brand Vehicle.
6/22/07, 01:30 PM
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Of course a TT V6 will cost more then the 4.6L 3V we currently have in the Mustang GT. Both the 4.6L & 5.4L are in several other Ford vehicles and have been around for many years. They have paid for themselves a dozen times over.
But, the upgrades to the V6 would be a lot cheaper then starting an entire new V8 program like the 5.8L Boss.
Would I rather have a 5.8L Boss? Yes! I am just saying that upgrading the V6 isn't a cost killer like some people may think. Over time when the new V6 is placed in several other Ford vehicles, costs will be cheaper.
Right now the program is new. If Ford decides to produce a TT V6, my guess is that it will have between 350hp-400hp and cost nearly as much as a Shelby GT500.
But, several years down the road it could be affordable.
But, the upgrades to the V6 would be a lot cheaper then starting an entire new V8 program like the 5.8L Boss.
Would I rather have a 5.8L Boss? Yes! I am just saying that upgrading the V6 isn't a cost killer like some people may think. Over time when the new V6 is placed in several other Ford vehicles, costs will be cheaper.
Right now the program is new. If Ford decides to produce a TT V6, my guess is that it will have between 350hp-400hp and cost nearly as much as a Shelby GT500.
But, several years down the road it could be affordable.
6/23/07, 08:00 AM
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Ford needs to wake up an give the Mustang a competitive N/A motor. GM has it's 6.2L LS3 engine just hitting the market and you can be sure that the new Camaro will use it. Give me 415hp N/A from a larger displacement motor and I will be happy.
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