New Motor Trend 3-way comparison is up...
4/6/10 | 02:58 AM
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4/6/10 | 04:19 AM
#122
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Congratulations!
I realize Unions have at times gotten excessive - just like Corporation profits are now since Unions have diminished. But I bet many don't realize how many benefits ALL workers have received from the results of "collective bargaining". Such as a 40 hr work week.
Much of the financial problems with families today are because real wages haven't kept up with inflation for decades now. And that's because the pendulum was swung waaay to far in favor of the Corporations and their profits, and away from workers needing "family wage jobs".
Even the healthcare issue is because of diminished Unions. Back in the day it was common for companies to provide health & welfare benefits, and that served to keep employees long term that have skills and loyalty.
In contrast, look at today. Good luck getting healthcare much less a pension. And so we have huge turnover, no loyalty, and taxpayer funded healthcare.
I realize Unions have at times gotten excessive - just like Corporation profits are now since Unions have diminished. But I bet many don't realize how many benefits ALL workers have received from the results of "collective bargaining". Such as a 40 hr work week.
Much of the financial problems with families today are because real wages haven't kept up with inflation for decades now. And that's because the pendulum was swung waaay to far in favor of the Corporations and their profits, and away from workers needing "family wage jobs".
Even the healthcare issue is because of diminished Unions. Back in the day it was common for companies to provide health & welfare benefits, and that served to keep employees long term that have skills and loyalty.
In contrast, look at today. Good luck getting healthcare much less a pension. And so we have huge turnover, no loyalty, and taxpayer funded healthcare.
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4/6/10 | 07:18 AM
#125
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I would bet the drivers didn't take the GT out of 3rd/4th the whole time they had the car. They've driven an SS and the SRT8 before; nothing new to them. This new GT, I'm sure they wanted to drive the crap out of it. And I'm willing to bet the new engine just begs you to. I'm also sure the rated MPG is attainable. But when it's new, you all who have 5.0s on order know dang well you're going to be flogging them for the first few weeks! 
4/6/10 | 07:27 AM
#126
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03/04 Cobra's were running that stock, and the GT500 is faster... IF you can get traction.
That seems to be the #1 complaint, so its no wonder that people have a hard time launching those cars.
4/6/10 | 07:56 AM
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4/6/10 | 09:34 AM
#130
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Read about what Henry Ford did for his employees in 1913 without unions (doubled their wages). It was so revolutionary that their was a Congressional investigation about it all. Yes, doubled (from less than $2.50/day to a $5.00/day wage. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I grew up on Long Island which was home to Grumman and had an uncle who worked there. Grumman was the only defense aerospace contractor which didn't unionize and according to what I was watching it was because of the compensation the company provided to its employees. I asked my uncle about this and he said it was great there. He said he never bought a power tool when he worked at Grumman. When he needed something he signed it out from the company and brought it back when he was done.
tom
4/6/10 | 09:52 AM
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It isn't 1910 anymore. What once saved it is now destroying it. My problem isn't with the workers so much as it is the gangster thugs who run the Unions. The workers are innocent bystanders for the most part. Why anyone would want to work somewhere where you are rewarded for seniority and not performance is beyond me. Lookup what the California Teachers Union has done to CA sometime. As for higher standard of living, ever been to Detroit? LOL! Keep supporting the UAW while they bankrupt the Big 3 into oblivion.
4/6/10 | 09:56 AM
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4/6/10 | 12:02 PM
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Ford believed his workers should be able to buy his cars. He also used a race to the top mentality to attract and retain the best employees. Pay better than everyone else and provide them with non-monetary compensation like health care and pensions. Some companies still subscribe to this. See Google or SAS. Most I don't think do so anymore.
I grew up on Long Island which was home to Grumman and had an uncle who worked there. Grumman was the only defense aerospace contractor which didn't unionize and according to what I was watching it was because of the compensation the company provided to its employees. I asked my uncle about this and he said it was great there. He said he never bought a power tool when he worked at Grumman. When he needed something he signed it out from the company and brought it back when he was done.
tom
I grew up on Long Island which was home to Grumman and had an uncle who worked there. Grumman was the only defense aerospace contractor which didn't unionize and according to what I was watching it was because of the compensation the company provided to its employees. I asked my uncle about this and he said it was great there. He said he never bought a power tool when he worked at Grumman. When he needed something he signed it out from the company and brought it back when he was done.
tom
4/6/10 | 12:19 PM
#135
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im union and we do more than conservative media says for teh american worker. you corporate america has shipped jobs overseas and look where we are. blame the american worker for wanting a good wage and a better life.
chang in china appreciates all of your jobs. i have mine because of union brothers keep the monopolies from .50 cents an hour.
chang in china appreciates all of your jobs. i have mine because of union brothers keep the monopolies from .50 cents an hour.
4/6/10 | 01:36 PM
#138
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I think the Challenger is more of a Grand Touring car and maybe should not even be compared with the GT and SS. I guess if you really take the Challenger for what it is it fits the mold great.
4/6/10 | 02:23 PM
#139
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It's clear the challenger is more car than the other two, it's just a different kind.
