The weight on the S197 Mustangs have been slowly creeping up since 2005, there was a jump of 40-50 lbs from 2009 to 2010, and another small increase from 2010 to 2011. The Brembo Package's wider and taller 19" wheels add some additional weight, but that would be worth it IMHO. For comparison sake, the curb weight on my minimally optioned 2008 GT was 3490 lbs, and the curb weight MT lists for the 2011 GT they tested, at 3612 lbs.

 

So I just found this. I didn't realize that the '69 Z28 weighed so much, but it's still a favorite of mine.
The 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,765
Number built: 20,302
Base price: $3,185

Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 302
Fuel system: 2 x 4 bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800
Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200

Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 7.4
1/4 mile, sec @ mph: 15.12 @ 94.8

 

That weight doesn't seem right to me, I had a couple of different first generation F body Firebirds and I know they didn't weigh anywhere near that much.

 

My youngest brother's first car was a '69 SS350, and it did not seem that heavy to me either (yes, we pushed it around once or twice). That's why I posted the stats. Maybe somebody will provide more definitive information.

 

3765 is closer to what my last second generation F-body I had weighed, a 79 6.6 WS6 Trans Am.

 

Here's more information, but not all the various Camaro weights are known.
http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html
Camaro Series 24 - V-8
24 37 2d Cpe $2,727 3,135 lbs Note 2
24 67 2d Conv $2,940 3,385 lbs Note 3

 

Yeah...in time, they probably will, assuming any changes of note are made to the 2011 Camaro or 2011 Challenger. But for now, there is no 2011 Camaro or Challenger yet, so for the moment it's a valid comparison in my book.

 

FWIW, since we're looking at the weights of older pony cars, the "Mustang Red Book" lists curb weights of 3625 lbs for a 1969-70 Mustang with the 428 CJ, and 3560 lbs for a 1971-73 with the 351 CJ.

 

DA won't matter as MT corrects their 1/4 mile times. Traction and launch are the real issues here.

 

The sad part is one of their own Mods posted up the SS original times with the mags, and ZERO were under 13secs. This magical sub 13 time is just in some of their members heads. A quick trip to search engines reveals all that need to be known...

Now some members have slips lower, but as for the mags, none ran sub 13.

 

I agree that the Challenger really is out of place here, but we've discussed the Challenger before and largely agree on what kind of car it really is. In fact, I think the market is really missing out on what is the first true mid-sized, muscle car offering since the Buick Grand National, although I lay much of the blame at the feet of Dodge for that as well, but again I'm just rehashing old discussions here.

I have less sympathy for the Camaro, which GM knows is going to be pitted against the Mustang regardless of how much they blur the muscle car/pony car lines. I think the Mustang is the obvious pony car standout here while the Challenger is the mid-sized muscle car everybody complains we never can get the manufacturers to produce only to avoid buying them when they actually are produced. I think Camaro is increasingly a sort of 'worst of both worlds' compromise being virtually as large, heavy and bulky in everyday driving as the Challenger, but with no more interior room than the Mustang and a less inspired interior than the Ford to boot.

 

They do? Based on what? Now I trust them even less. Post the real times damnit with track conditions!

 

MotorTrend's ran 12.9 against the GT500 and Hot Rod ran a 12.9, both with the SS obviously.

 

Only once did it happen. In the heads up comparison of the 2010 GT500 and the 2010 Camaro SS the Camaro ran a 12.9.

If you Youtube it it'll be under "GT500 CRUSHES Camaro" drag race. IIRC the GT500 couldnt grip for the life of it and ran a 12.8. The Camaro gripped right off the line and ran a 12.9.

This is what alot of the Camaro5 nuts crow about "Hur der hur der, our SS only runs a 10th slower! LOLZ fail FORD lolz". Note that I added web-isms to show their comments in a truer light. They dont pay any attention to the runs where the GT500 gripped and ran a low 12 run..because it makes them look bad.

On the subject of the comparison:

I approve of it, it was fair and unbiased. Ford has done extremely well this model year and deserves their time in the lime light!!

 

/\/\/\ Only idiots say that. It's corrected pretty quickly every time someone tries to spout it off.

A DA corrector of course. How do you think the cars all run consistent numbers regardless of the time of year they're tested. I'm far too lazy to dig up where they said it however.

 

honestly to shut everyone up about which is faster..

they need to take the cars to a track, fully prepped, on at the same time,

not airports...

set them all up with the same set of DR's.

rotate drivers each has 3 passes in each car..

list ALL reseults and average them all together.. (each car)

then all the forums

and be thankful we have the ability to enjoy a rivalry such as this

 

I do wish they'd run DR's. Everyone changes stock tires if they care about performance. Ford is really DUMB about tire selection. They select based on road noise and "ride comfort" on the GT500 for f's sake.

 

That wont stop the blind loyalists in the camps from spouting off. In all truth the folks who deny that the 5.0 has won this round Muscle Car wars are living in their own universe. The ONLY thing that I could see causing some uproar is if Mopar releases the 6.4L into the SRT8's this summer.

GM needs to spend 2011 understanding that they cant win this year and come back with something new and better for the 2012 MY.

 

agreed.

unforunatly brand loyalty is kinda like patriotism.

i've been loyal to ford since my 95. prior to my 95 was an 88 iroc z,
in 95 i was stuck in the delma of 95 gt or WS-6, or Z-28

i was pissed that after 15 years mustangs STILL had 5speeds, and were down on HP AGAIN.
talked to my cousin over x-mas dinner after he just brought over his '10 gt, told me to hold off on the maro and wait for the embargo on the new mustang.. took his advise..


i do admit i almost switched back to chevy this year, almost bought a Camaro..

i really felt like an idiot at the dealership..

problem was i found out no matter how much you yelled ... it would never transform into a robot

 

And that right there automatically makes you brighter than about 50% of "average" Camaro buyers. Make no mistake about it..the Camaro is a good car and I'm happy to see an "American" car sell so well. That being said the level of fanboy rage and frantic masturbation over the Camaro is both funny and terrifying to watch.