Instead of all this american made pony car war bickering, perhaps all should band together against the german and japanese made competition, find common ground and

 

Oh thats one fact that all three camps agree on. If the choice is offered between fighting between each other and banding together and kick the crap out of the Eurotrash and Ricers..then the choice is obvious!!

 

I'd say we have - with our checkbooks!

 

ALL sports car enthusiasts from any brand should band together against the tyranical greenies!

 

I do my part, frequently.

 

Way to be an ignorant xenophobe!

The current Mustang was designed by a Vietnamese native and shares a factory with Mazda sedans. The GT's motor is made in Canada and the manual transmission is made in a German-run factory in China.

In case you didn't get the memo, it's 2010. Get over yourself. TMS is one of the coolest, most-down-to-earth car forums I've ever come across. Your comments are better suited to Camaro5.

 

I was passing judgement on the cars..not the people. I would ask that you re-read my post before accusing me of being racist or a xenophobe. You can drive a BMW without turning it into a Eurotrasher and you can drive a Mazda without ricing it up.

You're really quick to taking insult for something that I didnt say.

 

To me, it's always been more about supporting American business, even if some production or assembly is done elsewhere. Why do I care? I don't know, I just can't help being patriotic. Equate it to Football, or some other sport. It's equally dumb (or not dumb) to have a favorite team. It's your towns team, even if all the players originated from other towns.

 

I have better things to do than be insulted by something that's posted on an semi-anonymous internet forum.

It's just that you haven't been around here that long, and several of your posts use the word "Eurotrash" and I think that's just a really poor way to express yourself.

Anyway, back on topic, Ford really outdid themselves with the 2011. For the money, I would go so far as to call it a "world class" sports car. The V6 version is just as impressive as the V8 in my opinion!

This comparison was a forgone conclusion, but still fun. A little surprised to see the Challenger in 2nd place.

Oh well, the more fits it gives the guys on Camaro5, the better. That forum is completely toxic, one of the worst I've seen, totally opposite end of the spectrum compared to TMS.

 

To be fair though, the tires used on the Brembo package are excellent tires for the Mustang GT. The Pirelli PZero's that they are using on the Must. GT is what Porsche is using now on the 911.

Dave

 

How dare a Polish American slam a product from GM - a company founded by a Euro American. More specifically a French American born in Boston. Shame on you.

 

Right. Good analogy.

Regardless of the new 'global economy', anyone with a brain understands that the Big Three is a foundation of Americana. And there will always be that same Big Three in automotive history - regardless of current or future outsourcing, changes in controlling interests, etc. Parsing shareholder percentages or where parts are manufactured won't change the fact that all gearheads understand that Ford, GM, and Chrylser are American founded companies.

(Me thinks someone has a large chip on their shoulder about something.)

 

The way to beat the Europeans or Japanese or Koreans or GM is the same as it's always been, simply build a better car. Then resort to provincialism, xenophobia, blind nationalism or any other lower order of appeal becomes unnecessary.

I've always posited that the "Buy American" mantra is both cribbed and backwards -- that Americans should buy only American products regardless -- in that, rather, it should be the duty and responsibility of American companies to produce the products worthy for Americans (or anyone else for that matter) to purchase with their hard earned dollars.

And guess what, now that Ford is finally and truly bringing the Mustang (and a lot of their other products) up to full world class levels on all levels, including value, they are deservedly reaping the sales benefits that accrue from purveying excellent product. Now Ford can wave an American flag proudly for a job well done rather than using it to beat people into buying substandard product through guilt and reflexive nationalism. I've always maintained that American companies could and should do this, without excuse, and now Ford is clearly showing me to be correct in this assumption.

Now Americans can take true pride in purchasing world class cars that are designed and built in America.

 

wat

If you're referring to me, you think wrong. And you're reading way too much into it. My point was that people shouldn't be "banding together" and using words like "ricer" and "Eurotrash" when they know their cars are the product of a global economy. This hasn't got anything to do with being American founded or not. I spent a significant portion of my college years studying international business and economics, so I'm not ignorant about all this.

I was born in America. I also own my own business, which consists of mostly selling things not made here (not by choice; those industries moved overseas "en masse" decades ago and there are no reasonably-priced US-made alternatives available).

I hope that makes you feel better about me! Let's all be friends!

 

Just to point out, the 2005 Mustang was not designed by Hau Thai-Tang. He was the chief engineer for the S197 program. He had absolutely nothing to do with the overall look of the car.

 

That was a poor choice of words on my part.

 

12.7 not bad for motortrend. With that I'm sure MM&FF will be able to run a 12.4 atleast.

 

Or rather, do what Ford seems to be doing by both increasing performance all while reducing thirst and stink, i.e., everybody wins. Smart, Ford, in seeing and addressing the bigger picture.

 

I knew what you meant.

 

Again, in this comparison test, all performance testing was done on a old airport runway.

Drag testing on a prepped dragstrip is sure to show better numbers.