That's the one.

 

It IS a fair comparison. The Roush is a Mustang with upgraged shocks, springs, sways, brakes, tire/wheels. The same applies to the GT500. The GT500 isn't a "handling" car. It's built to go fast in a straight line.

 

The mustang could be a great handler, it has a really great chassis. I think Ford just doens't put money toward suspension tuning. And I can honestly see why, if they have budget of x and not add that they have to take money from somewhere else unless they increase the budget. And honestly I do not see sales raising at a rate due to it being a better handling to warrent spending extra money to tune the car, take it to nurburgring and flog it.

Maybe when the camaro comes out and if it is stomping the stang that ford might need to do so, but with absolutly no competion from 2003-now there was never a need.

 

Boy, a lot of you guys are rich, or at least single. I refuse to pay $5000 - $10000 over MSRP on a GT500. My buddy paid $10k over. My Salesman said he would sell me a GT500 for $5k over - thanks dude, what a deal.

I don't know about some of you, but I am more interested in the Mustang GT & S.E.'s cheaper than the GT500!
The GT500KR is $80,155 MSRP are you kidding me? Thats nuts!

My Boss just went to pay for his Challenger SRT 8. I was told it is near $50k. Sounds like Dodge is doing the same thing to their customers!

If I get a 350hp-400hp Mustang around $35k, I will be satisfied. Prices are way out of control!

 

Ford can improve the handling pretty economically. The Camaro and Challenger seem to have better suspensions on paper, so Ford better step up. A good example of how the Camaro will handle is the G8, albeit some overall weight.

I'd like to see a Watts Link if there isn't an IRS rear offered.

 

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Sorry, thank you for the correction, I couldn't remember the details on how it was set up and didn't bother looking it up again. Thanks again.

 

There won't be any ADMs.
The Mustang will have plenty of competition from the Camaro & Challenger creating over supply in the sporty car market.
On top of that gas will be $5 / gal by then which will further put pressure on sales.

 

Hope you're right.

 

He's right, because competition levels the playing field for everybody, by keeping them all in check

 

I told you guys several weeks ago 2011MY for the GDI V8. My source is extremely high up the food chain at the Blue Oval.
At the time, he told me the release date for the engine was early 2010. February I think? I have it stated in some of my old post(s).

As we all know, anything can happen. Ford could bust their butt, and this engine could be ready for the 2010MY, but the odds of that are slim.
If they could get it ready by mid-year, they could possibly place it in an SE first.

My source said that they are currently working on a SE, but he couldn't tell me anything about it.
As I have stated several times, he suggested that I wait for the 2011MY GDI V8. But, I have to admit, a 350-400hp SE with a 4.6L or 5.4L would be tempting, especially if its a Mach1, which happens to be one of my favorite Mustangs.

 

From what I remember, this engine was first a 2011MY (as you mentioned John)
but there was a possibility of fast tracking it...
...I think where the confusion may have come in is between the people in Ford making the decision on when the engine WILL be in the car, and WHEN the engine is ready.

When really you have to look at the plant making it, and see when their job1 for the engine is, that'll give a good indication on where its going.
And as stated, looks like they have made the decision to make people wait a year to get the LOOKS and POWER at the same time.

IIRC there was the AL or FE 5.4 4v idea that was being tossed around for the current gen car as an SE. Namely for the BOSS/MACH SE that never came to be in the current gen.

Depending on the power it could put out, I could see this as a stop gap SE in 2010
4.6 3v GT with moderate power bump, 5.4L 385-430hp SE and GT500 with 500hp

then make way for the power bumps in 2011
5.0 4v GT with 380-400 paper HP <wink><wink> ( i think they may sandbag the number under 400 for insurance purposes...) and a GT500 with a boost as well.

 

My gut feeling is that we will see a 350-400hp 4.6L or 5.4L SE for 2010MY, if indeed the GDI V8 isn't ready.

 

I think one of Ford's biggest mistakes from a performance standpoint was getting Shelby involved. All his name does is adds costs to the car. I'd love to see a modern SVT Cobra. Give it the 4.6L 4V DI engine and rate it at 430hp. With the money saved on the blower/components, instead invest in suspension tuning and weight reduction. I really wish that John Colletti had a chance to work his magic on a SE S197!

 

and a summer tire option, that would make a tremendous difference in the way the car handles. When I put the FR3 suspension on it made a bit of diference, the 255/45R18 KDWIIs actually seemed to produce a larger difference,.

 

I am with you on this one. Out here they are getting 20k over sticker. You would think they would want more customers buying these cars than telling them some number they cannot swallow. I love my GT/CS but I would be driving a GT500 right now if I could have bought one at the price ford said they would be. I'm sorry, but I'm not paying more than whats on the sticker. I hate to say it, but putting the Shelby name on it killed it for many of us. Greedy friggin dealers.

 

So true, I don't know why Ford insists on putting those all season truck tires on the Mustang, but anybody who doesn't think the new car handles extremely well hasn't been in a GT with good rubber, the stock tires suck for performance. Seeing how much lighter the Mustang is then the Camaro or that pig Challenger it should whip them if it just had good rubber. Even so, I think the Bullitt was only a tenth slower in the slalom than the Challenger sporting huge rubber.

 

Yup, I don't expect anything from the 4.6 for 2010, looks like Ford is gonna let the GT get ripped to shreds, we can only hope all the huge tests that will surely be done about the new Pony car war use the GT500.

I haven't heard any reliable rumor about a 2010 SE, I just can't see them making an engine for one model year.

 

Yes. The Shelby name killed it for me. If it was a normal SVT Cobra, I could of gotten it in the 30's(with down payment and possible A/Z Plan).
Now I hope & wait for a 350-400hp SE or Mustang GT.

 

CORRECTION to an earlier posting:

This is the original:

Hollywood_North GT: Holden of Australia built 44,044 GTOs during the three model years of production before the GTO became extinct for the second time. Pontiac of the USA built 44,044 sets of badges, exhausts, and steering wheels for those GTOS. MSRPs started at over $34,000, but massive discounts to sell them off brought them well under $30,000 including taxes, licenses, whatever--in the Spring of 2006, Pontiac dealers had a 200-days supply of GTOs languishing on their lots nationwide.

I got my zeros and fours crossed up. The posting should have stated:

Hollywood_North GT: Holden of Australia built 40,044 GTOs during the three model years of production before the GTO became extinct for the second time. Pontiac of the USA built 40,044 sets of badges, exhausts, and steering wheels for those GTOS. MSRPs started at over $34,000, but massive discounts to sell them off brought them well under $30,000 including taxes, licenses, whatever--in the Spring of 2006, Pontiac dealers had a 200-days supply of GTOs languishing on their lots nationwide.

Dyslexia rears its ugly head...

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