I don't know how many the sold but I know they were giving them away so the real cost was about the same as a Mustang.

Also on paper it was the same as a Mustang - 2 Door coupe, V8 RWD.

 

It may have been listed on paper, as being similar to a Mustang 2 door V8 RWD coupe. However in the real world, the 03/04 GTO was nothing more than an oversized Cavalier lol.

 

I am skeptical about a 400hp Mustang GT as well. My guess is 350hp. Maybe even a little less. I believe Ford will leave the 400-425hp for a SE model.
As for the GTO? It failed because it had a "Plain Jane" Pontiac design. They were nice cars and GM proved that you could sell a 400hp car for $33k.

 

I can't wait to go for a test drive when the first 400 horse GT's hit the lots, I'll even take pics and post them here, and I bet some will still be in denial.

Of course, Ford might back out like they have historically done and just give it the 300 horse 4.6L. Let's just hope the new management doesn't allow that to happen..

Cause as of now, good things are coming next year..

 

I agree with most of the people's insite on the next mustang gt . Ford has allways made the Gt an affordable ponycar that had good power. Looking back over the stangs history it was rated less than the camaro in most of it's history ( except SE models etc.) I figure due to current and future competition this practice may stay the same on paper, but will produce simular performance numbers in real world . JMO

 

I think Ford is going to give us much more because the competition will be greater than the past couple years where it had no direct competitors. Though the GTO was a powerful RWD V8 coupe is was built as more of a luxury cruiser and didn't aim directly at the Mustang like the new Challenger, Camaro and Genesis.

Though no true numbers have been leaked I feel pretty confident that the base V8 Camaro will have the 6.0 400HP V8. The base V8 Challenger is going to have 350HP next year and is expected to be tweaked for more power in the coming years.....Though some on this forum are blindly loyal to Ford others may consider other alternatives if competitors offer base V8s with upwards of 50-100 more HP than the Mustang.

Bottom line is Ford is going to have to work harder than ever to earn Mustang sales because this looks like one of the most competitive segments in the business for the next couple years. Personally I have faith in Ford's next gen Mustang being better than the current gen in just about every way....

 

Ford will either make the regular Mustang GT hit 400hp or it will start to look like a joke. The difference now versus 10-15 years ago? The asian auto manufacturers. You can buy a Honda Accord with a V6 that posts roughly the same numbers as a Mustang GT. That's ridiculous and you can sure bet Ford doesn't want that comparison to spread....

 

I've made similar statements about the Asian coupes, but I think the Stang would be fine at 340-350hp.
The one advantage American cars like the Mustang, Camaro & Challenger have over foreign cars is their "History".
Muscle cars were invented here, and the retro styling has been a huge it!

 

I agree. Even at present with 300hp, the Mustang posts some enviable performance stats. Remember that Ford doesn't want to embarrass it's own GT500 with a 400hp base GT. And besides, 0-60 times are headed south of the 5 second mark already. It's a whole different ball game to reach sub-4 second and mid-12 second 1/4 mile times. But all this hp banter is interesting. I think a lot of people will be surprised with what we actually get at show time.

 

Don't worry.... it won't

You have NO idea...(and i mean in a GOOD way)

 

Hollywood_North GT: Holden of Australia built 44,044 GTOs during the three model years of production before the GTO became extinct for the second time. Pontiac of the USA built 44,044 sets of badges, exhausts, and steering wheels for those GTOS. MSRPs started at over $34,000, but massive discounts to sell them off brought them well under $30,000 including taxes, licenses, whatever--in the Spring of 2006, Pontiac dealers had a 200-days supply of GTOs languishing on their lots nationwide.

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

I'm not sure what your point is.

 

Er, Hollywood, this is your posting upstream in this thread:

"How many GTOs did they build?

How much did they cost?

Answers:

- Less than the Mustang

- More than the Mustang

The GTO was an unsuccessful niche car. Most 400HP cars today are niche vehicles. And it's common knowledge that that much power drives insurance rates up."

And the answers are:

"Hollywood_North GT: Holden of Australia built 44,044 GTOs during the three model years of production before the GTO became extinct for the second time. Pontiac of the USA built 44,044 sets of badges, exhausts, and steering wheels for those GTOS. MSRPs started at over $34,000, but massive discounts to sell them off brought them well under $30,000 including taxes, licenses, whatever--in the Spring of 2006, Pontiac dealers had a 200-days supply of GTOs languishing on their lots nationwide."

The "Holden of Australia" is side info for someone who also posted upstream in this thread that the GTO was an American car--the badges, the exhausts (needed because Pontiac re-located the fuel tank into the trunk), and the steering wheel are the American equipment that transformed a Holden Monaro into a Pontiac GTO. Based on the vehicular content, I'd have to say that the GTO was an Australian import, huh?

The last sentence of my posting is adding detail to your general estimates of cost ("Less than the Mustang" and "More than the Mustang") and a quantification of your "unsuccessful".

Clearer now?

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

Eights,
I certainly understand the point you are making, but there is one thing you are over looking. Do you think Ford could or would sell a 400hp Mustang under $34k?
Answer: NO

If & when we see a 350-400hp Mustang, Ford is going to rape us! Guarantee it! Don't blame inflation either, because GM was still producing 400hp GTO's in 2006.

 

That's right. We'll pay for this new Mustang's redesign and power through the nose. Then, everyone will complain about the price..................The GT500 will probably be gone when the introduction of the 400hp+ SE Mustang arrives, just so the GT500 won't be shamed in performance.
The late GTO's were bolted to showroom floors due to high pricing and bland looks. The new G8 looks much nicer and performs just as good with a lower hp engine and lower MSRP. Pontiac has a winner here. Best performance under $30,000 is the latest selling point.

 

I don't see why people feel that the price is going to rise such a great deal if the car gets more power. Did the 05' car, which was a much more dramatic changeover from 04' rise much in cost or even at all? The entire car was new, better in every way and prices were within a couple $100 or so from the 04 model.

Ford needs to give the Mustang more power now because it has legit competition! Say what you will about the GTO, the Camaro and Challenger will be much more successful and Ford realizes that and needs to have a competitive V8 in the market.

The base V8 Challenger is the R/T model with 370HP.......that is a solid 70 more HP than the current Mustang GT.

The Camaro is rumored to have either the 6.0 400HP or the current motor used in the G8 that puts out 360HP

No matter how you slice it the Competition will have more powerful base V8 motors than the current GT and I don't see Ford tweaking the car for 10-15HP. The Mustang may not be the most powerful out there but it will at least be competitive! I have no doubts that we will have a 400HP GT and maybe pay more due to inflation but nothing dramatic.

 

Bzzzzzzzz
Wrong

 

The cost will definitely rise. You are adding a brand new “high tech” engine along with a 6 speed manual. Ford has to pass the cost onto the consumer.

 

I can see the cost rising, but still affordable.

The 'around 30k' i won't doubt will probably be the base price without options.
And we'll probably see less options, more standard features and a fewer options/few package options

 

This is absolutely true. Also, the 2004 didn't come with ABS standard. If you added the ABS option to a 2004, it actually costed MORE than a 2005, which came with ABS standard.

I don't expect the price to go through the roof in 2010