I certainly hope that GM will not discontinue the Camaro and all mustang enthusiasts should also hope not. If it wasn't for GM bringing back the Camaro in 2010, mustang enthusiasts would still be rocking a 4.6 engine with 315 HP. When Ford was the only game in town, they didn't do hardly crap with power from 2005 to 2010. The only reason Ford brought back the 5.0 was too compete with the 420 HP of the SS Camaro.

I'm no fan of GM or Chevy for that matter but fact is fact and we as enthusiasts and consumers need the pony wars. GM keeps Ford on its toes and forces Fords hand to out produce GM which they do. Reality had it not been for GM bringing back the Camaro its highly probable we wouldn't have a 5.0 or a 305 HP 3.7. That's fact!
Long live GM and the Camaro!

 

^^^I absolutely agree, as an owner of a Camaro for the past 15 years. I have no brand loyalty and think it's great we have something from each of the big 3 to choose from; this is definitely the muscle car renaissance. Competition is a good thing and makes great products. I hope all three cars continue to be built for the foreseeable future.

 

X2 to the competition. Competition is a good thing provided you understand the competition. As Ford continues to move the Mustang into the world spot light I just hope they do not forget the domestic competition. Already you will have a 4 cylinder turbo to help make the car more marketable abroad. The last time Ford had a 4 cylinder in the Mustang it was a dismal failure here in the States. This is coming from a guy who had 2 SVO's (1985.5 and a 1986). I had bought them for collectability but they never took off. LOL


Look at what Ford did to the Ford Falcon in Australia. It went from Mad Max two door to a 4 door sedan. Again I just hope Mustang never loses its V-8. I am willing to bet that there aren't going to be many ecoboost Mustangs sold here domestically. It's just a feeling I have. There is going to be an upcharge for this mill and IMO if you are going to pay more for a power plant you might as well go for the V-8. It appears the mileage increase will be negligible so why do it??? Now if Ford had used the 3.5 Ecoboost as an option, well then that would be a different story. :-)


Again this is all my opinion. There may be some folks excited about the ecoboost Mustang. I haven't seen many on here discussing it. That leads me to believe I am not too far off the mark.

 

I agree, we need the Camaro. We would still have the 4.6 and 4.0 engines with 5 speed transmissions. I still love my 2011 v6, i just turned 20,000 miles. I'll be in the market for a new Mustang when my wifes Edge limited is paid off. I'll be ready for the 2019-2020 refresh if i'm still alive

 

Just wait for the next Camaro... smaller, lighter, based on the ATS platform. It should be a killer.

I love Mustangs but as a car fan with no (idiotic) brand loyalty, I'm really psyched to see what Chevrolet can do.

It sounds like the Barracuda isn't happening now.

 

Do you feel a V-8 will drop into an ATS chassis?

 

The SVO 4 banger of the mid 80's didn't catch on because it wasn't cool too own a 4 cylinder performance car back then. The 80's were about big hair, stone wash denim jackets and big displacement in muscle cars. It wasn't cool back in the 80's to have a 12 second Honda Civic or some other fast and furious rice kicking, Godzilla fire breathing, import 4 banger.

Car enthusiasts have changed since the 80's and so are peoples appetites for performance. I suspect Fords vision and development of this 4 banger, 2.3 echo boost engine was and is primarily to satisfy the European auto markets and not here in the U.S. Its my understanding fuel costs are far higher in Europe compared to U.S. I'm also under the impression big displacement engines in Europe are subjected too additional higher taxes to have them.

I agree that depending on how much more a V8 costs than the 4 banger, sales of the turbo may be poor in the U.S. but something tells me Ford doesn't care. As long as the 4 banger sells in European markets and the V6 and V8 in U.S. markets , Ford will be thrilled.

 

Honestly if I wanted a turbo 4cyl, the mustang would be the last car I would look at. There are lighter and better handling cars out there that just have way more potential in the turbo 4 market. They're not going to steal any business from the imports with such a car. Just saying.

 

We'll have to agree to disagree. The SVO didn;t sell because of cost. It had an MSRP that was $6K higher than that of the V-8 powered GT. Coolness had nothign to do with it. The 80's saw the loss of large discplacement engines. The largest discplacement mustang in the 80's was 302 c.i. and the F-bodies had 350 c.i., and hell dodge only had 4 cylinder turblows. There may have been big hair but large discplacement engines were gone like the do do bird.

I also don't believe car enthusiasts have changed all that much. If they had there wouldn't be the HP wars going on that we see taking place right now. It's an all out war out there. There may be ricers out there today but those folks are a completely different breed. I do not see a Honda Civic Si consumer trading in their car to get a 4cylinder turbo Mustang. Again IMO. I may be wrong but I just do not see that happening. The Mustang is rear drive, heavier, more expensive, etc. It is designed to appeal to a completley different demographic.

As for Japan and Europe. I wish it success but do not see it taking off there either. The Mustang is too expensive, plain and simple. It;s BMW and Benz money and that won't fly in Europe. IMO. The other poster was also correct. If you want a 4 cylinder car in Asia you don't think of a Mustang. There are a far number of better choices for a 4 cylinder performance car in Asia.

We should just stick to what we do well. V-8 powered muscle cars (within this class of vehicle) There is nothing wrong with that mind you.

http://www.carthrottle.com/retrospec...d-mustang-svo/

 

I'm almost 100% certain it will. They wouldn't consider the platform if it couldn't be done...and I don't gather that this will be a straigh-rebody of the ATS. There will likely be some dimensional changes.

Besides, he current 3.6L motor isn't too much smaller than the tidy little LSx/LT-1 motors.

 

I think the Ecoboost stang is gonna be really good. I mean RWD, 300+hp, turbo, 6spd manual, and 30+mpg for probably less than 30K. How does that not make for a fantastic car?

I think all those BRZ/FRS owners bored with the lack of power are going to buy these up. The 5.0 is a great motor but it's thirsty, it's not for everyone.

 

That is fantastic, until you open the hood! Eww!

It's going to take a lot of chrome doodads to help that 4 banger's appeal.

 

If Ford did not think there was high demand in European auto markets for a 4 banger turbo , then I'm confident they wouldn't of created one. I think price here in the U.S. is gonna be the key factor of the 4 banger having big sales numbers here in the States.

No way people back in the 80's thought about 4 cylinders other than Porsch being performance oriented. Its 2014 and peoples perspective have changed. The thought process of only V8's are fast is archaic and far outdated. Technology has far surpassed the old age thought process of displacement.

Many of the factory V8 engines of the 80's couldn't hold a oil filter to today's 6 and even 4 cylinder engines. Its called evolution and progress. Engines evolve and so does new power. I'm confident the 4 banger turbo will be highly successful globally in 2014 and on. After all, its not the mid 80's.

 

What your engine looks like without "fancy chrome doodads" to pretty it up:

 

I never mentioned the 80's, you did. I never mentioned discplacement, you did. I understand how technology advances. I am a certified ASE Master Tech and have also been on factory sponsored professional drag racing teams off and on over the past 20 years.

Again IMO a 4 cylinder turbo in a Mustang will not be well received here in the States and I also believe it will struggle abroad. It wouldn't be the first time a car manufacturer got the marketing data incorrect. Hhhmmmm let me see, Pontiac Aztec, Lincoln Blackwood, etc.

People in the 80's did see 4 cylinder turbo's as performance vehicles. The SVO had quicker 0-60 times than the GT, it handled better than the GT, it was just $6K more than the GT. Cars like the dodge Conquest, Dodge Daytone Shelby Z, and Mitsubishi Starion, etc. were pretty darn fast in their day. In fact I can recall seeing a few GT's lose out to those cars.

Hey man. It's nothing personal. That's why there is vanilla and chocolate. Opinions are like belly buttons, we all have them. If you want economy, a Mustang is not the car. That's why we have the Fusion, Focus and Fiesta.

I am certain Ford will have at least a $995 upcharge for the Ecoboost 2.3l. The HP and Torque isn't all that much better than the 3.7l V6. Why bother, IMO?

It's like the old V-8 juice commercials. I could have had a V-8. LOL

 

I totally agree not many 4 bangers will sell here in the U.S. IF Ford charges 6k more than the 5.0. At this point we have no idea what pricing the models will be listed for. Since the 4 banger is a step up from the 3.7 model, clearly the turbo will be priced higher than the V6 but guessing it will be less than the 5.0 model.

Based upon Fords research , they obviously feel a 4 banger mustang would be profitable and a market for it especially in the European markets. Perhaps Ford did a bit more research than you, me and the enthusiasts on these forums over seas about what would make mustang sales successful over in European auto markets.

Perhaps the 4 banger will be a complete flop and Ford will stop production of it by 2016. I'm not sure who made the rules up and gospel if you want economy then a mustang is not the car. That's just not true with today's technology. You can have performance, fuel efficiency and own a mustang. Its not one or the other anymore. My 11 3.7 makes just about 300 rwhp and I still get 26 mpg highway. That's economy and performance in my eyes.

 

Hey man. Right on. You seem pretty cool. It's nice running into people on the boards that can have a discussion without blowing a gasket. I appreciate your point of view.

 

Thanks bro. You too man. I'm easy going. Lol! I like having good debates. I think its a bold move for Ford too move into the 4 banger model again considering it didn't work for reasons as you stated. You did educate me about the price of the 4 banger back from the mid 80's. I actually had no idea if was 6k more than the V8 model. Good grief Ford. I was only 11 years old back in 1985 and never paid attention to car prices. Ha ha ha! Even in the early 90's of my high school days I don't recall anyone having the SVO model.

I wonder if Ford recalls why that SVO model back from the 80's wasn't successful and wonder if they will correct the failures by pricing it right. Do you think the 4 banger will actually cost more than the 5.0 this time as well?

 

Oh man! Could you have found a mangier picture of a Coyote? Haha!

But, still, I see a fuel injected, all aluminum, dual overhead cam, 32 valve V8...covered in dirt.

Now imagine sawing it a half and adding a squirrel cage! Grrr

 

Ha ha ha! I suspect the 4 banger will run 13.7, 1/4 mile right from factory though. Lol