Cause its a dead engine, and the 5.0 makes more power and more efficiently than the outgoing engine, and take on the competition and to further seperate itself from the goofs that can't understand theres more to a car/engine combo than just horsepower (camaro v6, looking in your direction)

It may be hard to fathom, but doesn't mean it won't happen.

Where are all the insiders saying it won't happen anyway????
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That's what I thought

 

True. But if Ford is going to go up against the competition, they do need to step it up somehow. When you have Series 1 BMW's w/300 base HP and a slew of other foriegn and domestic competitors, you need to do something more aggressive. Maybe a 4v 4.6?

 

i dont care if they put the 5 speed w/ the 5.0 it doesnt matter to me if they want to keep cost down. the evo has a 5 speed and it is better than the STi imo

 

If this is true, then I can't wait to see the new '10 Mustangs.

 

Folks seem to have run out of stuff to post on this topic...I just hope all of Boomer's postings are right and mine are wrong!

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

Me too...for my sake...

 

Here's to Boomer and hope!

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

Boomer: Perusing various "road less traveled" Mustang sites, I came upon one with a Saleen blog about Saleen's crate engine business which started earlier this year. Specifically, the article talks about the 302 CID engines--presumably the engines found in the Parnelli Jones and Dan Gurney edition Saleens. This quote is interesting:

"Packages range from 390hp (normally-aspirated 302 engines) to 580hp (super-charged 302 engines) using existing EPA-certified induction and exhaust systems."

These are the Saleen versions of the Mustang GT's 4.6L 3-valve SOHC V8s, which Saleen strokes to 302s. I used the quote here because it that states these engines are EPA-certified, they are "normally-aspirated" 302s, and they have a claimed 390 HP. There are lots of forged pieces in these engines, too.

They aren't 4-valves, they aren't DOHCs, and they aren't Gasoline Direct Injected, but they are very, very close to 5.0L, and just ten horsepower shy of 400 HP. Compression ratio is not mentioned, but I assume it is the same as the engines in the Jones.

This establishes two things:
(1) That Ford can offer a naturally-aspirated 400 HP 5.0L V8 without it being necessary to do anything radical or exotic (which increases the likelihood that Ford would approve the 400 HP engine for production, fortunately), and
(2) That Ford could do this without the need to introduce the Hurricane/Boss/EcoBoost/Coyote/Whatever 5.0L quadcam V8 with GDI. This is not so fortunate, since there are bound to be accountants somewhere bellowing that it is a waste of money to go to the expense of a new engine when the performance desired can be obtained from the existing 4.6L V8. The accountants can point out that Chrysler has never had a DOHC V8--and certainly not one with more than two valves per cylinder. Furthermore, they can point out that GM has ceased development of the OHC engine that would have eventually replaced the Cadillac Slothstar--presumably carrying on with pushrod "technology" in V8s (an indication that V8s have an ever-diminishing role at GM) for the foreseeable future...In these austere times, saving money is paramount in the auto industry. Those bellowing accountants may now have more influence than they had back when things weren't bleak.

This generates two conflicting fears in me:
(1) That the Hurricane/.../Whatever 5.0L V8 program will get canceled a second and final time, or
(2) That it will be watered-down mechanically to the point that it has no engineering improvements over the current modulars other than greater bore spacing.

Either of these outcomes would be a tragedy...

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

The Boss/Hurricane engine and 5.0 engine programs are completely seperate.
One won't affect the other, so not to worry.

While the Saleen may be a prelim. test for the posibility of what a 302 could do ... its not a good gauge.
THe PJ 5.0 is limited to the 3v design that it is, a worked 4.6, and the 5.0 4v isn't.
Like I said before, its more new than just improved.

 

Are we sure there even is a BOSS program? I remeber reading something a while back...it was a quote from someone at ford saying that they knew people wanted both BOSS and MACH 1. but lately, all the SE's have just had different colors and packagaes and stuff...none of them having a custom engine. I am waiting to get ahold of a BOSS or MACH 1 but I would only do it if they were significantly different in terms of power...not just a turbo or super or a few ford racing parts added in.

 

I can't recall hearing anything definitive on a Boss (but that's probably how Ford wants it), but I think it's just so obvious with the 5.0 coming that it would be ridiculous not to offer one. Even if it amounted to something like the Bullitt (minor mods and appearance) I think people would pretty much sell their souls for one. However, I suppose they would have to make it different enough that people couldn't just make their own though. I mean if it was just a stripe kit and a few off the shelf upgrades, why would people pay the markup?

Even the 05-09 model begged for a Boss package because of the 69ish look, but the fact that we never saw one, makes me think that they have been saving it for 2011 because they knew that the refresh and 5.0 would make it even more appealing.

Personally, I'm hoping for a NA 5.4 Mach in 2010 as a SE and then the Boss 5.0 in 2011, but who knows.

 

Boomer: Thank you for the response and for the encouraging words!

I am a fan of the DOHC four-valved modular to be sure, but I also appreciate the three-valved modular--wondrous things have been done with that engine in the aftermarket! A few tuner cars ($$$) offer that engine with 900 HP, and that's on the stock 281 cubic inches (with boost, of course)!

Do you know where the new 5.0L engine will be built? I'm thinkin' Windsor, Ontario...

Greg "Eights" Ates

 

Yeah I remember reading in the paper here that Windsor's Essex was going to possibly be getting a 'new v8 and such'
I remember the CAW trying to negotiate to get stuff to the plant.

Now back in 05, the Windsor plant started up the 4.6 3v production before Romeo could be converted over (IIRC)
Could be the same here too. Those 2 places would be my guess.

 

All the more reason why Ford must step up to the plate with it's 400HP 5.0L 4V