I'm just glad they're still making grabber blue it also looks like they changed the stripe color combinations too. I like the way the black stripes look on the grabber blue. The seats looked ugly to me with white stripes on them.

 

Jeff, can you see the stripe /color combo's for the Shelby's?

 

Does anyone have any insight as to if you can get leather recaro's with a non-premium GT? I have wanted a mustang FOREVER and am finally looking into a base model 13 GT with a stick. Being that this car will probably sticker at around 30k by itself I cant justify the premium package @ 4k. I would Ideally get a base model with leather recaro's (of possible, probably cloth if no leather with base model) with 3.73 and the brembo/torsen package.

For those who have the brembo's on an older GT, is the difference really notable? I assume it really only shows a difference on the track? Do the stock brakes have a tendancy for really bad fade? I would probably only track this car a couple of times so I guess I could just invest in some Hawk Track pads for track days.

The price difference between the '12 base GT with only 3.73 I got about 4 months ago was $29k OTD (that was only with the 1500 rebate at the time). The rebate on 2012's is now 3000 or 0% (3k being the much better deal...I have good credit So I assume I can get a loan from my bank at a 3% give or take). I assume I can get a new 2012 stick base model OTD for about 26k....makes going for the 2013 ( even apples to apples, base '13 with gears is probably an even $31k, so figure 33k OTD, thats 7k difference!).

decisions decisions!

 

Speaking of, the leather V6/GT Recaro seats say "Recaro" in the diamond shaped portion where the Boss/Cobra icons are. I believe it is silver stitching.

 

I couldn't agree more. I was in the car business for almost 20 years and it still amazes me that consumers expect dealers to lose money on a car. If a car isn't sold within 30-60 days and then sells at invoice it's a loser for the dealer. The holdback doesn't cover much if your floorplan your vehicles. True that holdback is more on higher priced units but so are the finance charges. We all have to eat people.

 

This is the main reason why I got a 2012. I couldn't do without Kona... no sirreee.

 

Do people really want dealers to lose money? I don't think so.

Many may be asking for a price that is not profitable for the dealer, sure, but that's because there is little transparency for the average buyer. They assume the dealer cost is less than what it is etc.

 

I'd be happy with just msrp.

 

Good example of what I said. If you sell that Fiesta for $100 over invoice, you get a lot more than just $100, you get $544. That's 5 times more. Add in other high-profit fees, like Advertising, and it goes up even more.BTW, what's the holdback on a Mustang or a F150?

 

have you ever hear of overhead, taxes, employees salaries, finance charges, etc... lucky if that $544 comes out to $50 in profit

the exact dollar amount a dealer pays for a car does not = the cost of the car

 

Here is something I dont understand about the dark secrets of Car dealers and profits; I bought a 2003 Cobra that stickered for a little over $37,000 for $28,000.00. I wish I could remember what invoice was back then but guessing around $34-35k. Why on earth did they do that deal? It was at closing and the last day of the month and had been sitting there 6 months.....

 

yeah there comes a point where finance & storage costs exceed any profit and they'll dump it just to cut their losses

 

Let's move past the discussion of holdback and dealer pricing. If you want to talk more, PM each other or Jeff. This thread is for the order guides and price lists, not your opinions on whether it's right/wrong/indifferent what they charge.

 

Understand, just making small talk while waiting impatiently on Ford!!

 

We have a new 2012 Mustang GT Coupe for $26,482 (click here to see), so you're correct how low pricing is with the bigger rebates. The '13's will be higher initially as the rebates will be minimal.

You can't get leather Recaros with the '13 base model - just cloth.

I have an '11 GT with the Brembo Brake Pkg. It's my daily driver. I've owned a lot of Mustangs (my last was an '07 GT). The Brembo pkg makes a huge and noticable difference every day, IMO. Shorter/surer stops and no fade. I'm sure that the difference will be even greater on the track.

 

What is the "UW" trim you need to get if you want Recaros in the base GT?

 

"UW" means you can only get the Charcoal black trim. (pages 16, 17)

 

What is the option code (M18) "IUP (18G)/ Leather (884) Discount" in the price list?

 

You might have gotten tired of the Camaro but apparently the buying public has not. This years LA auto show isn't too soon for a concept at all.

 

If you show it too early (like this year's 2013 L.A Auto Show), NO ONE will buy the 2014 models if it looks great. Its why they didn't show a concept of the Fusion at all. Don't want to take anyone out of the market currently. Plus, I'm sure Ford will offer one last "special edition" to ride the old S197 into the sunset and the L.A Show would be the place to show it. But Mike, I only sell cars and have been doing it for 15 years, so what do I know.