The 2011 V6 is going to kick the 2005-10 GT's butt!
2/11/10, 01:12 AM
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2/11/10, 01:18 AM
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2) So for how long are you accelerating from a standstill? Seems after the instant you start moving, you are no longer at a standstill.
2/11/10, 02:15 AM
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Gary, your avatar is pure awesomeness. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, SIR!
And as for the original topic... even though it's Internet racing, the prestige and sound of a V8 is worth it. I'm not downing on the V6, but even now you can make V6 models faster than their V8 stablemates. And V6 models inevitably become faster than previous V8 models, it's just how it goes.
Case in point: the new 3.7L V6 is faster than the old Fox-body's 5.0 engine, just like the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro LS is faster than the 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS. It just happens sooner or later.
And as for the original topic... even though it's Internet racing, the prestige and sound of a V8 is worth it. I'm not downing on the V6, but even now you can make V6 models faster than their V8 stablemates. And V6 models inevitably become faster than previous V8 models, it's just how it goes.
Case in point: the new 3.7L V6 is faster than the old Fox-body's 5.0 engine, just like the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro LS is faster than the 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS. It just happens sooner or later.
2/11/10, 09:20 AM
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can't wait to see that comparo test when it comes out . . . my money is on the Mustang, but the V6 Camaro is pretty impressive also
2/11/10, 12:16 PM
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I went from 3.31's to 4.10's in my '07 GT and got a little bit of improvement so it was a worthwhile swap, just not an earth-shattering improvement like in may older cars. My '03 Mach 1 had really good 3.55 gearing stock, so when I switched to 4.30's I saw less than a tenth improvement in the 1/4 mile with drag radials. Again, factory gearing over the last few years has been pretty decent to start with.
I still firmly believe that the vast majority of 2011 V6's will run about 14.0-14.2 in the 1/4 mile - even with the 3.31 gears. Sure, a couple really good drivers will run high 13's, but that won't be the norm. But, even if there are some 2011 V6's running high 13's, a stock 05-10 GT manual runs mid 13's so it'll still beat an '11 V6 anyway.
So, back to the OP: an '11 V6 is NOT going to "kick the 2005-10 GT's butt" no matter how bad you want it to be so.
2/11/10, 12:42 PM
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Actually, as you gear down further, you start running into problems with the engine having to accelerate itself. For an example, try accelerating a 4x4 in low gear.
2/11/10, 06:34 PM
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2/12/10, 06:42 AM
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I would call that EMPHASIS as opposed to yelling.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YELLING (in the forum post sense, of course).
And I would call the emphasis a way to present a counterpoint to the original assertion.
This reminds of when the '05 Mustang GTs were proclaimed to be able to "kick the butt" of the '03/'04 Mach 1s. That all started on the basis of the given numbers - 305hp Mach vs. 300hp GT and torque being the same at 320 ft-lb with the same 3.55 rear gear. Track testing showed differently in some cases; not all but you could find them out there in the 1/4 mile acceleration specs. Through dyno checks, the Mach was seen to have both a horsepower and torque advantage of about 15hp and 25ft-lb (bold for emphasis, not to yell) at the peak. Empirically, you could see a 2-3 mph difference in terminal speed and .3-.4 sec difference in time. A combination of driver reaction times, engine variations, but (in my opinion) most importantly a number advantage that was only shown by people doing their own tests resulted in "close" but not "killed".
As someone else mentioned, we are all enjoying a bit of Internet racing, but I look at this situation and think it will be simply fun to see what happens. "Kills" will come but I predict the frequency will vary.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YELLING (in the forum post sense, of course).
And I would call the emphasis a way to present a counterpoint to the original assertion.
This reminds of when the '05 Mustang GTs were proclaimed to be able to "kick the butt" of the '03/'04 Mach 1s. That all started on the basis of the given numbers - 305hp Mach vs. 300hp GT and torque being the same at 320 ft-lb with the same 3.55 rear gear. Track testing showed differently in some cases; not all but you could find them out there in the 1/4 mile acceleration specs. Through dyno checks, the Mach was seen to have both a horsepower and torque advantage of about 15hp and 25ft-lb (bold for emphasis, not to yell) at the peak. Empirically, you could see a 2-3 mph difference in terminal speed and .3-.4 sec difference in time. A combination of driver reaction times, engine variations, but (in my opinion) most importantly a number advantage that was only shown by people doing their own tests resulted in "close" but not "killed".
As someone else mentioned, we are all enjoying a bit of Internet racing, but I look at this situation and think it will be simply fun to see what happens. "Kills" will come but I predict the frequency will vary.
2/12/10, 08:01 AM
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As Tony mentioned above, I wasn't yelling, but putting EMPHASIS on the single word "not." Obviously, a little emphasis is needed because after 100+ responses to the OP's assertion about '11 V6's vs 05-10 GT's some people still don't understand how gearing & torque work and how they will affect the outcome of any match ups between an '11 V6 and an S197 GT at the dragstrip.
2/12/10, 08:47 AM
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Internet etiquette ***** in this thread...
2/12/10, 09:01 AM
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As Tony mentioned above, I wasn't yelling, but putting EMPHASIS on the single word "not." Obviously, a little emphasis is needed because after 100+ responses to the OP's assertion about '11 V6's vs 05-10 GT's some people still don't understand how gearing & torque work and how they will affect the outcome of any match ups between an '11 V6 and an S197 GT at the dragstrip.
2/12/10, 09:07 AM
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I would call that EMPHASIS as opposed to yelling.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YELLING (in the forum post sense, of course).
And I would call the emphasis a way to present a counterpoint to the original assertion.
This reminds of when the '05 Mustang GTs were proclaimed to be able to "kick the butt" of the '03/'04 Mach 1s. That all started on the basis of the given numbers - 305hp Mach vs. 300hp GT and torque being the same at 320 ft-lb with the same 3.55 rear gear. Track testing showed differently in some cases; not all but you could find them out there in the 1/4 mile acceleration specs. Through dyno checks, the Mach was seen to have both a horsepower and torque advantage of about 15hp and 25ft-lb (bold for emphasis, not to yell) at the peak. Empirically, you could see a 2-3 mph difference in terminal speed and .3-.4 sec difference in time. A combination of driver reaction times, engine variations, but (in my opinion) most importantly a number advantage that was only shown by people doing their own tests resulted in "close" but not "killed".
As someone else mentioned, we are all enjoying a bit of Internet racing, but I look at this situation and think it will be simply fun to see what happens. "Kills" will come but I predict the frequency will vary.
THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YELLING (in the forum post sense, of course).
And I would call the emphasis a way to present a counterpoint to the original assertion.
This reminds of when the '05 Mustang GTs were proclaimed to be able to "kick the butt" of the '03/'04 Mach 1s. That all started on the basis of the given numbers - 305hp Mach vs. 300hp GT and torque being the same at 320 ft-lb with the same 3.55 rear gear. Track testing showed differently in some cases; not all but you could find them out there in the 1/4 mile acceleration specs. Through dyno checks, the Mach was seen to have both a horsepower and torque advantage of about 15hp and 25ft-lb (bold for emphasis, not to yell) at the peak. Empirically, you could see a 2-3 mph difference in terminal speed and .3-.4 sec difference in time. A combination of driver reaction times, engine variations, but (in my opinion) most importantly a number advantage that was only shown by people doing their own tests resulted in "close" but not "killed".
As someone else mentioned, we are all enjoying a bit of Internet racing, but I look at this situation and think it will be simply fun to see what happens. "Kills" will come but I predict the frequency will vary.
2/12/10, 11:49 AM
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As Tony mentioned above, I wasn't yelling, but putting EMPHASIS on the single word "not." Obviously, a little emphasis is needed because after 100+ responses to the OP's assertion about '11 V6's vs 05-10 GT's some people still don't understand how gearing & torque work and how they will affect the outcome of any match ups between an '11 V6 and an S197 GT at the dragstrip.
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