I get what you are saying, going from one extreme to the other. I guess we just gotta wait for times.

 

Theoretically, with enough torque multiplication (and sufficient traction), you could gear down a stock civic to outrun a Viper until it reached somewhere near top speed (which would be quite low because of the ridiculous gearing).

 

1) A tenth or two, or three, or four...depends on how bad the gearing was, how far it's being changed, traction, hp/tq, etc. etc. etc. Besides, it's common knowledge that with cars in this et range, 30hp is only worth about 1 tenth in the 1/4 mile so how much do you really think 40 lb/ft is really worth?

2) So for how long are you accelerating from a standstill? Seems after the instant you start moving, you are no longer at a standstill.

 

Gary, your avatar is pure awesomeness. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, SIR!

And as for the original topic... even though it's Internet racing, the prestige and sound of a V8 is worth it. I'm not downing on the V6, but even now you can make V6 models faster than their V8 stablemates. And V6 models inevitably become faster than previous V8 models, it's just how it goes.

Case in point: the new 3.7L V6 is faster than the old Fox-body's 5.0 engine, just like the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro LS is faster than the 2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS. It just happens sooner or later.

 

How about V6 Mustang vs. V6 Camaro ?!

can't wait to see that comparo test when it comes out . . . my money is on the Mustang, but the V6 Camaro is pretty impressive also

 

That's the thing, the gearing in the 05-10 GT's was not bad from the factory. Plenty of guys with factory 3.31 or 3.55 gears running mid 13's stock or high 12's with minor bolt on's, so the gearing doesn't seem to be hindering them much, if any.

I went from 3.31's to 4.10's in my '07 GT and got a little bit of improvement so it was a worthwhile swap, just not an earth-shattering improvement like in may older cars. My '03 Mach 1 had really good 3.55 gearing stock, so when I switched to 4.30's I saw less than a tenth improvement in the 1/4 mile with drag radials. Again, factory gearing over the last few years has been pretty decent to start with.

I still firmly believe that the vast majority of 2011 V6's will run about 14.0-14.2 in the 1/4 mile - even with the 3.31 gears. Sure, a couple really good drivers will run high 13's, but that won't be the norm. But, even if there are some 2011 V6's running high 13's, a stock 05-10 GT manual runs mid 13's so it'll still beat an '11 V6 anyway.

So, back to the OP: an '11 V6 is NOT going to "kick the 2005-10 GT's butt" no matter how bad you want it to be so.

 

Actually, as you gear down further, you start running into problems with the engine having to accelerate itself. For an example, try accelerating a 4x4 in low gear.

 

Dude, bold and all caps? Any reason to be yelling here?

 

lol Stinger! You are joking around right, pulling our chain.

 

I would call that EMPHASIS as opposed to yelling.

THIS IS WHAT I WOULD CALL YELLING (in the forum post sense, of course).

And I would call the emphasis a way to present a counterpoint to the original assertion.

This reminds of when the '05 Mustang GTs were proclaimed to be able to "kick the butt" of the '03/'04 Mach 1s. That all started on the basis of the given numbers - 305hp Mach vs. 300hp GT and torque being the same at 320 ft-lb with the same 3.55 rear gear. Track testing showed differently in some cases; not all but you could find them out there in the 1/4 mile acceleration specs. Through dyno checks, the Mach was seen to have both a horsepower and torque advantage of about 15hp and 25ft-lb (bold for emphasis, not to yell) at the peak. Empirically, you could see a 2-3 mph difference in terminal speed and .3-.4 sec difference in time. A combination of driver reaction times, engine variations, but (in my opinion) most importantly a number advantage that was only shown by people doing their own tests resulted in "close" but not "killed".

As someone else mentioned, we are all enjoying a bit of Internet racing, but I look at this situation and think it will be simply fun to see what happens. "Kills" will come but I predict the frequency will vary.

 

As Tony mentioned above, I wasn't yelling, but putting EMPHASIS on the single word "not." Obviously, a little emphasis is needed because after 100+ responses to the OP's assertion about '11 V6's vs 05-10 GT's some people still don't understand how gearing & torque work and how they will affect the outcome of any match ups between an '11 V6 and an S197 GT at the dragstrip.

 

Internet etiquette ***** in this thread...

 

Dude your tone sounded pissy and I know math and physics better than most. I think I have a pretty good handle on how these things work out at a track. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm a idiot. This is my last post on this topic and its been a real pleasure.

 

Thank you for a lesson on proper Internet writing technique. Regarding the Mach 1, nobody has seen a dyno for the V6 so obviously this estimates at best. I don't see Ford underrating a engine again so I think we'll see 270/250 on a dyno and 275/255 on 91 octane. The suspense is killing me.

 

And no one better pick on my slow a-- Mach 1 with their 2011 V6

 

Yes, the OP, ME made the "CLASSIC BADDIE ERROR" of looking at force when energy is probably what matters most.

 

HEY GUYS!!! WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?!!

 

 

I see your cool dog and raise you a smiley dog!!

 

Hey those are Shiba Inus! We have two!