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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:40 AM
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If you read the book (which I'm still reading by the way) Mustang 2005: A New Breed of Pony Car

It mentions how the 2005 mustang got them BACK ON TRACK with the look.
It seems that Ford gets that the 2005 was back to its roots on the look of the mustang, and they can now move forward with retaining its heritage cues a little bit closer to what they had before.

I don't have a fear in that respect, at all.
You can tell from the spy shots the overall shape/stance is the same.

I don't think they'll 'screw it up' however... maybe not everyone will like every single little styling cue... but such is life.
Great response, Boomer! Where'd you get your copy of "Mustang 2005, a New..."? There was a book that came out shortly after the intro of the S197, which had great detail on the development of the '05--from early sketches to clay models to running prototypes. There was a Mustang history and profiles of those who had influence over styling, chasses, and equipment. I believe it was Barnes & Noble who carried it and I've kicked myself a hundred times for not buying it when I first scanned it waaaayy back in early 2005. Books like those have great followings but short shelf lives as they're so topical. I've perused Amazon a few times but none of the Mustang books they've offered seem to be the right one. The one you're currently reading may possibly be a retrospective look at the phenomenal success of the S197 written sometime later than 2005. I might pick up that myself if you'll describe it a bit so I'll know what to look for at the bookstores!

This is a great observation:
"I don't think they'll 'screw it up' however... maybe not everyone will like every single little styling cue... but such is life."

I know what you mean--the original Mustang was really beautiful, especially in its day--other domestic small cars of that era were the '64 Falcon, the '64 Comet, the '64 Dart, the '64 Valiant and its glassback fastback (44 square feet of it) cousin, the hideously fugly '64 Barracuda (surely the Aztek of its day), the '64 Chevy II, and the '64 Corvair. 'Easy to see why the original Mustang was such a smash hit! However, the hugely cheap-looking taillights detracted greatly from the rear view, even though their cheapness helped keep the bottom price at $2365.00 for a 170 CID one-barrel inline 6 and a floor-shiftin' manual transmission. I wish they had saved a little by trashing the chromed bananas they tacked onto the side "C scoops" and put those pennies towards better taillights. The '63 Mustang concepts were jaw-dropping gorgeous, and their six individual thin, vertical taillights would have been perfect--and would improve every edition of Mustang including the current one and the next one as well. I'm sure there are some that felt Ford screwed up by not giving the original Mustangs large bullseye taillights that had become a styling trademark of Thunderbirds, Falcons, Fairlanes, and Galaxies of the 'Fifties and early 'Sixties--especially since the '64 T-Bird was the first T-Bird to have anything but big bullseyes or multiple big bullseyes. IIRC, no Fords had them after Falcons became extinct until the 2004 Ford GTs. The original Ford GTs never had them, although they had small multiple bullseyes stacked vertically.

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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
Try to think back guys. what where your feelings of the 99' car when it was first released?
I remember seeing the '99 up for the first time and I at first thought it looked kind of odd because it looked like they put sharp corners on an egg. But after I saw Mach1s and Cobras I liked started liking them. I guess it took some getting used to.

The 94-98s look kind of big from the rear, but look good from the front and in profile. The 99-04 body doesn't look good in the V6 base model mode with the small skinny tires and the 4X4 ride height.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Eights
... but my fear is that they will screw up the appearance--the 2005 is so right that improving upon it is gonna be effin' hard to do!
Again, I heard these same type of comments back in 98 before the 99 came out. The 94 was supposed to be "perfect", other than the tail light bars facing the wrong way, it was the best Mustang since 1965. Although I agree that the S917 is the best Mustang design sine the 1970, it is NOT perfect. There are MANY design flaws in the 05 - 09 Stang. I have no fears, the 2010 will be better than the 05.
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 10:59 PM
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thank you for agreeing with me V10! I agree that the 05' car is awesome but to deem it perfect and "much better looking" than the previous cars is insulting to those who own the 3rd and 4th gen cars. I don't see anything wrong with change, as is the current car is getting a little long in the tooth. I think from all the reports we have heard that the next gen car is heading in the right direction. I love the retro look but Ford can't always look to the past in making new car designs i'm sure the next car will still have plenty of retro flair while also looking new and cutting edge at the same time!
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Old Mar 8, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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I can ask 40,000 and get it and it is worth it ! paid like 43,000 for the sucker
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 04:33 AM
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still not bullish on '10 mustang LOOK

still not convinced its gonna look as cool as the '05-09 body did when it hit the marketplace.

forget about performance stats..we all know '10 will be better...im talking bodystyle..
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:46 AM
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If it's going to have the same overall look (which is what they SHOULD do)
from here on in....

There's no reason it won't.

I'd wait to see a real picture,
or is it that you don't want it to look better so you don't have the urge to sell the 06 and get a 010 or 011
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by YaoNYC
still not convinced its gonna look as cool as the '05-09 body did when it hit the marketplace.

forget about performance stats..we all know '10 will be better...im talking bodystyle..
It will look better.

I just don't understand the people around here. They ***** that Ford is behind other car manufacturers, but as soon as Ford is about to change something they ***** that the old model was better.

5 years with the present body is long enough, it's run it's course.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
It will look better.

I just don't understand the people around here. They ***** that Ford is behind other car manufacturers, but as soon as Ford is about to change something they ***** that the old model was better.

5 years with the present body is long enough, it's run it's course.

my opinion it WON'T....opinions tuff guy...we are entitled to them!
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:51 PM
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All they need to do for me is adapt the Sync su=ystem into it I'm totallaly stoked on it now I,ve had a taste, If I have to get a totaled off wreck and have a tech put it in I'll **** well do it !
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Saw a production Challenger on Friday. Very close to the original. Versions for the masses won't be avilable until next year (wrong move for market share - did Bill Ford advise them?).
Chevy will be evn later to the party.
Also saw a totally stock loaded '08 GT vert with a sticker of $40K. That's right $40K. That's more than some nicely equiped Lexus'. I love the Mustang - can't wait to get another one...but $40K...that's too much...way too much.
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by YaoNYC
my opinion it WON'T....opinions tuff guy...we are entitled to them!

Just as Boomer said.

Originally Posted by Boomer
I'd wait to see a real picture,
or is it that you don't want it to look better so you don't have the urge to sell the 06 and get a 010 or 011

The bottom line is. You have absolutely nothing to base your opinion upon, because of the simple fact, you haven't seen what the 2010 looks like yet, just as the rest of us at this point haven't. Therefore tuff guy, until you're finally able to see what the 2010 really looks like. You're opinion doesn't mean squat.

And speaking of opinions. I also believe that your hoping the 2010 doesn't look better, because your so afraid that if it does. You'll end up wanting to give up your current 06, so you can then get yourself a 2010/11. End of story !

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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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I have nothing wrong with someones opinion...
if there's some kind of logic behind the opinion.

Saying "In my opinion 'x' movie is going to suck" based on a picture of one of the actors thumbs being shown on a setshot.
Doesn't really give you a good indication, know what I mean.

In this case you could say 'in my opinion the 2010 mule in camo doesn't look as good sa the 2005 mule with camo...and that would be a valid arguement
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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 03:53 PM
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Yes, I know exactly what you mean. And I couldn't agree more, as I also don't have a problem with somebody's opinion, providing there's some kind of logic to base it upon.

I also apologize for being so hard on the member who started this thread, however since rumors began well over a year ago about what the 2010 Mustang may look like. He's posted the very same negative opinions time and time again, with no logic to base them upon.


Now on the other hand, if he really likes his current 06 and just doesn't want to part with it. I could totally respect that. But when it comes to making remarks, such as the 2010 not looking as good or better than the current 2005-09 models, and yet not have a single clue as to what it looks like. Not only don't such opinions provide logic, but are also very unrealistic as well.

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Old Mar 16, 2008 | 11:45 PM
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Bottom line in my logic is that the current car is due for a re-fresh. All cars in the market these days have a lifespan of 4-5 years some even less! For all those who don't like the looks of the next gen car will be replaced by others who do! Ford is gonna lose some major sales if we don't get an update soon!

I recently visited a Ford dealership (my gf is looking at buying either a Fusion or an Accord) .............. anyways I was checking out the new Mustangs and GT coupes are selling for over $30,000! why buy an 08' GT for $30,000 if you can buy a low mile 05-06 GT for under $20,000! Many possible buyers will likely consider this when it comes to the purchase of an 08' or 09' with the 10' model having all new sheet metal buyers will once again be willing to spring the extra bucks for the impulse buy that you don't get with a 4-5 yr old model.

I like the whole retro thing but at the same time I would like the car to take on more of a modern look. Those who complain about the car being less retro should just buy a classic Mustang and let the rest of us have something new, same for those who have the current gen car.............. keep em if you don't like the 10'!
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by YaoNYC
my opinion it WON'T....opinions tuff guy...we are entitled to them!
Then buy a 2008 Mustang and quit *****ing.

You're entitled to your opinion on something you've seen. However, I don't quite understand how you can have an opinion on something you've never seen. It's called baseless speculation NOT an opinion.

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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by V10
Then buy a 2008 Mustang and quit *****ing.

You're entitled to your opinion on something you've seen. However, I don't quite understand how you can have an opinion on something you've never seen. It's called baseless speculation NOT an opinion.
What he said.
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Old Mar 17, 2008 | 10:30 PM
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As I pointed out earlier. I can totally respect anyone's opinion, provided that it's based upon some form of logic.

Now should the person in question, not like the 2010 after seeing what it actually looks like. Then by all means, I'll completely respect, and support their opinion.


However when a remark such as, the 2010 not looking as cool, or better than the current 2005-09 model. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind, can state such an opinion, that's based upon something in which they haven't even seen yet.

It's just as V-10 posted.

Originally Posted by V10
You're entitled to your opinion on something you've seen. However, I don't quite understand how you can have an opinion on something you've never seen. It's called baseless speculation NOT an opinion.

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Old Mar 28, 2008 | 01:48 PM
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Totally agree. In following these posts it appears that it is as equally easy to become a blind cheerleader for the new (and mostly camoflaged) model as it is a blind sceptic. Anyway, coolness like beauty is definitely in the eyes of the beholder (of course that implies that you have to behold it to know).





Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
As I pointed out earlier. I can totally respect anyone's opinion, provided that it's based upon some form of logic.

Now should the person in question, not like the 2010 after seeing what it actually looks like. Then by all means, I'll completely respect, and support their opinion.


However when a remark such as, the 2010 not looking as cool, or better than the current 2005-09 model. I don't understand how anyone in their right mind, can state such an opinion, that's based upon something in which they haven't even seen yet.

It's just as V-10 posted.
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Old Mar 31, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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Ok guys I haven't read every post in this thread so I apologize if I missed it when scanning, but when will ford introduce the 2010 body style? Anybody know?
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