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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:32 AM
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The next full makeover for the Mustang is just around the corner i think 2012? So if this is going to be a short model run I think Ford can afford to take risks. If a more modernized, less retro car doesn't sell as well i'm sure the next gen car will be retro again. Either way i'm excited I wish automakers had restyles every 2-3yrs like in the past. If Ford made a new Mustang every two years how much more would our 79-08 Mustangs stand out on the streets...... It seems that while the fox and early sn95s are starting to fade away the streets, they still are full of the last two styles. In my neighborhood it seems like their are more 05-08 cars than 99-04 cars!
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
I guess it would be kinda like saying:
"from all the women i've seen in space suits, they don't look like they have a nice figure"
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
This debate reminds me of when the 99' model first hit the streets. If my memory serves me correctly the 94' model got the same warm reception as the 05'. In my opinion it was the first retro stang, though not to the extent as the current car it was the first to bring back many classic styling cues (pony in the grille, 3 bar tail lights, side scoops, twin pod dash......) Many felt that the 94-98 cars were the best looking since the classic era and that Ford couldn't improve upon the car's styling. Most of my friends in the Mustang community welcomed the added power and overall upgrades of the 99' model but where not fans of the styling (myself included) after a couple years the car began to grow on people and now are considered the more attractive of the two. I have a feeling that many will dislike the next gen car while others will love it and after a year or two the ones who disliked the car will warm up to it like I did with the 99-04 cars. Try to think back guys. what where your feelings of the 99' car when it was first released?
97GT03SVT: Well, OK, since you DID ask...
To me, there are only four true Mustangs in which the DNA rings true, listed chronologically:
The '65 fastback
The '67 fastback
The '69 fastback
The '05 fastback
I don't get off on convertibles or notchbacks--although back in '64 there were only convertibles and notchbacks, and I liked the notchbacks fine at the time...
By my preference: The '05 fastback, followed by the '65 fastback, followed by the '69 fastback, followed by the '67 fastback. I'm talkin' factory vehicles--Shelby G.T. 350s of '65 through '67 are special cases and deserve individual postings of their own.

The '71s thru '73s were the worst Mustangs of all time--porkers that should have been the Torinos of those three years.
Beginning with the '71s, Mustangs wandered in the styling wilderness for 34 years until Hau Tai (Mus)Tang delivered Mustangs into The Promised Land with the S197s of Model Year 2005--the most beautiful and best engineered Mustangs of all time!

Now, light could be seen on the horizon of the wilderness with the New Edge Mustangs of which you speak, and the MY 2000 Cobra Rs deserve an exalted place in Mustang history--the greatest Mustang up to that point in time. I didn't like their puckered ******* grilles, but the New Edge Mustangs were clearly a step in the right direction.

OK, have I pontificated enough yet?
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
The next full makeover for the Mustang is just around the corner i think 2012? So if this is going to be a short model run I think Ford can afford to take risks. If a more modernized, less retro car doesn't sell as well i'm sure the next gen car will be retro again. Either way i'm excited I wish automakers had restyles every 2-3yrs like in the past. If Ford made a new Mustang every two years how much more would our 79-08 Mustangs stand out on the streets...... It seems that while the fox and early sn95s are starting to fade away the streets, they still are full of the last two styles. In my neighborhood it seems like their are more 05-08 cars than 99-04 cars!
The next full makeover for the Mustang. Is not just around the corner, as I've stated before. The next major platform change, won't take place until during the 2015 model year, as a 2014.5 launch. As Ford is not about to launch an all new Mustang, just 2 years before reaching it's 50th anniversary !
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 05:09 PM
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Ford stated a while back that the 2010 Mustang would take on a more angular, sharp-edged look over the straighter, simpler lines of the '05-'09. It's natural evolution to bring the car up to more modern appeal. And it will probably take some time to get used to it as the s197 style is so fresh in our minds. And remember, we're really only commenting on the base model. Ford can easily dress the car for the occasion of Boss, Mach, GT350 or whatever, by adding scoops, spoilers, slats, shaker hood, aggresive wheels, blacked-out hood, to give the car a whole different look all together. Give it time. Ford will do it right (again).........
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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Am I missing something? I've noticed a bunch of folks who are a bit apprehensive about the 2010 Mustang's design. Where are the spy shots that show more than a HEAVILY-camouflaged mule, both interior and exterior? If such photos do not exist, I don't see how anyone can make any judgment on the new Mustang based on what's currently been shown (cool headlight!)
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 05:30 PM
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I think that it will be difficult to top the S197. I agree with those here that it is a good combo of modern engineering function and Mustang DNA. It has the appearance cues that I like the most of the 67-70 model years. I like the interior and have learned to love the IP. For me, they just need to add Sync and audio controls on the wheel -- then it will be nirvana. I'd also like an 18x9 wheel and 4 piston brake upgrade. It's just a shame to have to get rid of your factory polished bullits to get 4 piston front calipers -- or else have to use spacers. I'm interested in seeing the 10's -- but plan on keeping my 08 until I'm saving my social security checks to get some real gas to take a ride with the top down.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 05:31 PM
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it'll be VERY difficult for Ford to have lightning strike TWICE.

the S197 is a revolutionary design. shocked the sport coupe market since '05.

very very hard for Ford to do that again...
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
The next full makeover for the Mustang. Is not around the corner, as I've stated before. The next major platform change, won't take place until during the 2015 model year, as a 2014.5 launch. As Ford is not about to launch an all new Mustang, just 2 years before reaching it's 50th anniversary !
Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. The way Ford delays new models, the 2020 Mustang will probably still be on the D2C platform.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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Actually that wouldn't be such a bad thing. As I really see nothing wrong with the D2C platform. And if I had my way, I wouldn't change it at all.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:16 PM
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so would you consider this refresh kinda like the 98 to 99 models were? they had the basics the same on the cars except for the exterior looked more "aggressive" than the 94-98. i have had each one since 1994 and i think they look good. im sure with today's technology, they can refresh a car every 2 years and not have to totally re-design it from the ground up. not sure weather i will get the 2010 model or wait for the 2014.5 i still need a SUV to replace my ford escape in about 5 years....ill need to save more $$$$ !!!!
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MARZ
Am I missing something? I've noticed a bunch of folks who are a bit apprehensive about the 2010 Mustang's design. Where are the spy shots that show more than a HEAVILY-camouflaged mule, both interior and exterior? If such photos do not exist, I don't see how anyone can make any judgment on the new Mustang based on what's currently been shown (cool headlight!)
I'm not so much apprehensive because of what I have or haven't seen but rather because of the fact they're changing the S197 at all. I don't want to see them ruin a good thing...
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolfsburg
I'm not so much apprehensive because of what I have or haven't seen but rather because of the fact they're changing the S197 at all. I don't want to see them ruin a good thing...
Exactly. Next thing we know the S197 is going to have three huge horizontal chrome bars across the grille.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SINBUSTER007
so would you consider this refresh kinda like the 98 to 99 models were? they had the basics the same on the cars except for the exterior looked more "aggressive" than the 94-98. i have had each one since 1994 and i think they look good. im sure with today's technology, they can refresh a car every 2 years and not have to totally re-design it from the ground up. not sure weather i will get the 2010 model or wait for the 2014.5 i still need a SUV to replace my ford escape in about 5 years....ill need to save more $$$$ !!!!
In my honest opinion. the 2010 re-fresh will be very similar to the SN-95 re-fresh from 98 to 99. The only difference as far as body panel changes are concerned. Is this time around were also getting hips, but the basic body style will remain the same. So there's really no need to worry about Ford ruining the S-197, as it's only evolving and not being replaced.

Heck even the 1st generation Mustangs evolved, and yet they were still just as muscular and aggressive looking
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by YaoNYC
it'll be VERY difficult for Ford to have lightning strike TWICE.

the S197 is a revolutionary design. shocked the sport coupe market since '05.

very very hard for Ford to do that again...
Dude, you make it sound as though Ford is replacing the current S-197. Well rest assure you have nothing to worry about. As our S-197's are just getting a re-fresh, and not a total makeover. Even the 1st generation Stangs had hips, and yet they still looked muscular. If anything, the 2010 will look even more muscular and aggressive, and not the other way around.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by m05fastbackGT
Dude, you make it sound as though Ford is replacing the current S-197. Well rest assure you have nothing to worry about. As our S-197's are just getting a re-fresh, and not a total makeover. Even the 1st generation Stangs had hips, and yet they still looked muscular. If anything, the 2010 will look even more muscular and aggressive, and not the other way around.
Only time will tell. Hopefully we'll all find out soon enough.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by YaoNYC
it'll be VERY difficult for Ford to have lightning strike TWICE.

the S197 is a revolutionary design. shocked the sport coupe market since '05.

very very hard for Ford to do that again...
Some might say that lightning has already struck twice, since the S197 styling drew from the originals of the 60s.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 97GT03SVT
Not to get off subject but enough with the sn95 bashing, I like the current gen too but calling them perfect? give me a break already guys. I hope the next gen is more modern looking like they forecast. I like retro too but you can't keep reinventing the past!


As far as the retro looks of the s197 cars, thank the 94-04 cars that began with the retro looks..... If the 94' looks like a bath tub then the fox looks like a brick. Think about it. it wasn't until 94' that the classic themes came back.... the fox body cars were at the time the modern cutting edge styling that took it away from the classic cars of the 60-70s to begin with......
And while were at it, think about this. The Mustang II was actually the very first that took many of it's design cues, from 1st generation models. But never the less, the Mustang II was nothing more than a Pinto with a longer wheelbase, and also fugly as sin. Heck it's a miracle that it even lasted 4 years lol.

Say what you will about the Fox Mustangs, but the fact remains. if it hadn't been for the 14 year success of the Fox Bodies. There would be no SN-95 nor S-197 Mustangs in existence today. But instead, we would all be driving around in Probes. Thank goodness that enthusiasts such as ourselves had the courage to petition Ford to save the Mustang from such a fate.

As for bashing the SN-95. Perhaps you should look over the last paragraph once again. In which I clearly stated, that I actually liked the SN-95 re-fresh in 99, and also agreed with V-10's post. I just didn't like the rounded/swoopy look of those early SN-95's from 94-98.

However on the other hand. I'll agree that the Fox bodies, could pass for longer wheel based Escorts though
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 05GT-O.C.D.
Only time will tell. Hopefully we'll all find out soon enough.
Thats for sure. I just wish we didn't have to wait for another full year.
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Old Feb 20, 2008 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Eights
97GT03SVT: Well, OK, since you DID ask...
To me, there are only four true Mustangs in which the DNA rings true, listed chronologically:
The '65 fastback
The '67 fastback
The '69 fastback
The '05 fastback
I don't get off on convertibles or notchbacks--although back in '64 there were only convertibles and notchbacks, and I liked the notchbacks fine at the time...
By my preference: The '05 fastback, followed by the '65 fastback, followed by the '69 fastback, followed by the '67 fastback. I'm talkin' factory vehicles--Shelby G.T. 350s of '65 through '67 are special cases and deserve individual postings of their own.

The '71s thru '73s were the worst Mustangs of all time--porkers that should have been the Torinos of those three years.
Beginning with the '71s, Mustangs wandered in the styling wilderness for 34 years until Hau Tai (Mus)Tang delivered Mustangs into The Promised Land with the S197s of Model Year 2005--the most beautiful and best engineered Mustangs of all time!

Now, light could be seen on the horizon of the wilderness with the New Edge Mustangs of which you speak, and the MY 2000 Cobra Rs deserve an exalted place in Mustang history--the greatest Mustang up to that point in time. I didn't like their puckered ******* grilles, but the New Edge Mustangs were clearly a step in the right direction.

OK, have I pontificated enough yet?

Ok luckily for Ford your not the only Mustang enthusiast because they would have gone out of production after 69'. I'm not trying to pick an argument here but if you are talking about mean and agressive looks the 71' Mach/ Boss cars where way more meaner looking than the 65-67 cars! I love almost every Mustang with the exception of the Mustang II and some early Foxes but out of the original cars the 65-66 models were by far the least agressive looking an don't appair all that sporty outside of the fastback. Also, again I must say you guys are getting a little out of hand with the 05 car. I mean yeah its nice but I don't automatically think it's the greatest looking Mustang ever! I bet by the end of it's production it wont match the production numbers of the 99-04 run. You talk about "styling wilderness"? Since the classic era the car has won car of the year twice (not the S197 Car either) and paced the indy 500 with both the fox and sn95.... Sorry to go off here but i hate it when people only consider the classic years as the "true Mustangs" what are the others? fakes?
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