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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FAP_Zastava_Ikarbus
Do you have any idea how well VW is selling in Europe and Asia?
VW sold over 8.2 million vehicles in 2011 and only 325,000 of that were sold in the USA - world's 2nd largest market for cars.
I actually like VWs, I own one, but their sales in the USA weren't going anywhere until they introduced a really cheap Jetta and USA-specific Passat (which is completely different than European Passat).
No I have no idea how well they sell in Europe. And I have no idea what that has to do with either of your previous posts. But it does seem clear you like to introduce new variables with each post.

Regardless of how many vehicles sold in Europe, or how many water buffalos were used in place of Tata Nanos, you simply cannot change the fact VW sales in the US were up in 2011, up considerably. You are free to argue the were-of, why-for, at your leisure, but it will not change that fact.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 02:59 PM
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Sales are up, no doubt about that, but its not up because Americans all of the sudden love European and/or global cars.
Sales went up because they introduced USA-specific Jetta and Passat which are much cheaper than the competition.
Volkswagen is a perfect example on how you just can't take the European car, change the badge and expect that it will be a success in the USA. As soon as they introduced USA-specific Jetta an Passat (true, with low price) sales went up overnight.

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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FAP_Zastava_Ikarbus
Fusion actually outsold Accord in 2011.

I mean, here are two cars - Fusion and Mazda6 - that are mechanically identical, but one sold over 7 times more units ... Why is that?
Yes, Fusion outsold Accord, (but then, the manufacturing facilities in Hermasillo were not inundated with a tsunami like the Japanese plants). The Nissan Altima outsold the Fusion, by over 20,000 units and though it just my opinion, the Altima does not have an American look and feel.

Just on a (wild-a$$) guess, the Fusion sells better due largely to 10 times the dealer network and 10 times the manufacturing presence in this country. Of course, you can ignore that if you want.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FAP_Zastava_Ikarbus
Sales are up, no doubt about that, but its not up because Americans all of the sudden love European and/or global cars.
Sales went up because they introduced USA-specific Jetta and Passat which are much cheaper than the competition.
Volkswagen is a perfect example on how you just can't take the European car, change the badge and expect that it will be a success in the USA. As soon as they introduced USA-specific Jetta an Passat (true, with low price) sales went up overnight.
At last--something we both can agree on. Your second paragraph makes a solid point--European expectations and American expectations are quite different when it comes to what a buyer expects to find, and pay for, in a vehicle.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bt4
the Fusion sells better due largely to 10 times the dealer network and 10 times the manufacturing presence in this country.
If that's the case then every Ford's model should be one of the top sellers in their class.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:09 PM
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At last--something we both can agree on. Your second paragraph makes a solid point--European expectations and American expectations are quite different when it comes to what a buyer expects to find, and pay for, in a vehicle.
That's all I've been trying to say.

Which is the main reason why I'm against Fusion and Mondeo being the same car. Either the Americans won't like it or European won't like it, but chances are slim to none that both sides will like it.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Just got back from the pre press reveal. Car is awesome. Check back at 12:01 tonight.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 04:03 PM
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Couldn't you take few pictures?
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FAP_Zastava_Ikarbus
Couldn't you take few pictures?
Nope, had to sign an NDA and no camera phones. I'll be able to talk about it more after midnight.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 04:13 PM
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Nope, had to sign an NDA and no camera phones. I'll be able to talk about it more after midnight.
Need to kit you up for next time:
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 06:30 PM
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Hybrid to get 47+ MPG
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 06:37 PM
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I think I'm gonna go to sleep now and set my alarm for midnight.
I guess it's better than keep clicking refresh every 5 seconds on autoblog.com.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 06:42 PM
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Need to re-name this thread or set up an "Official Unveiling" thread.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 08:28 PM
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I'll merge all the threads as best I can. In the future, let's try to keep one "XXX vehicle discussion" thread per reveal. You can always PM me if you need something locked/merged, as I do spend a decent amount of time in here.

I'll share my thoughts after the embargo breaks.
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 08:31 PM
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Nope, had to sign an NDA and no camera phones. I'll be able to talk about it more after midnight.
Is that eastern or specific?


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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 08:35 PM
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 08:46 PM
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Old Jan 8, 2012 | 08:52 PM
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Interior looks nice.
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