Lee

I took my car up to 120 mph today and had some wheel hop in 4th gear! This car accerlerates so much better with the C&L CAI. I guess I may need sway bars now.

 

It's all good, Vegas B) Tucker may have gotten a little carried away with the metal pipe bashing, and perhaps even a tad bit overzealous with the JLT's performance, but he's certainly proven to be a reasonable guy by amending his sig and reaching out to Lee. Like Jay said, JLT is something of a small fry right now, and he's just trying to build up a solid customer base and product reputation for himself (nothing wrong with that B)) Regardless, we've got to grant him one point. Home Depot engineering or not, Jay has found a formula that seems to work for our cars. His intakes flow a lot of air for a little price, and folks have seen great results with them.

As for C&L, Lee has never rubbed anyone the wrong way (at least on these forums), and has posted some of the most informative and valuable info in the entire tech section. His experience and expertise are indisputable, and what's more, the C&L intake has produced some outstanding results of its own.

In the end, I think we've got the two solid performering intakes, and two good guys backing them up. Is the C&L higher quality? Certainly, I doubt many would dispute that. Lee's been in the game a long time and clearly knows his stuff, to say nothing for his exemplary reputation in customer service/support. Is the JLT a great design that turns some impressive numbers? Certainly, and I think many will see great results with it.

I'm personally leaning toward the JLT when I order my CAI in a couple months, but part of that is because I'm a penny pinching grad student who's just managing to pay for the car as it is! But that could all change if the numbers change (or if I win the lottery ) Like Cyoda44, I too am waiting to see how both units perform as we get more and more results from different folks using different combos. B)

 

Well, Lee your right. I did get a little over zelous (sp?) on other boards about it being a "kill". I take it back and will do my best to edit and re word the threads, but I will post imformative results.
I think the reason I did this was someone in your group (I'm guessing) has been posting in JLT threads about your product, trying to pull customers. "CmCarthy" or something like that. He's on the MACH I reg.com and the Corral. If he has nothing to do with you then again, I apoligize.
I trust the shop that did the test 100% and know there was no foul play, but do see both sides.
I respect you and believe you have forgot more then I know (this is no age stab .) I'm just a newbi and am trying to get my name out there. I learn everyday from people like your self.
I never intended to test against your product, it was just a chance I couldn't pass up.
Anyway, I hope this can be water under the bridge and we can continue to help the 05 and all other year Fords out there make more power.


As far as all my results go. I stand by them and do agree, many cars are different and will post different results for a product, but I did test many 05's with near the same results.
Thanks CHAD. sorry I forgot you too.

 

WOW- great posts. I'm definitely new to all this; moreover, it seems everyone has good points. I think I'm leaning towards the JLT just because I could sure use the extra money towards another mod.

Tucker - do you have a tune for the Diablo yet? I haven't purchased a tuner yet but Diablo will probably be the one. :scratch:

 

CmCarthy is a local person, and was the owner of our Mach 1 test vehicle. He does not work for us, and was not acting as a representative of ours. He is actually a very nice guy, though. As far as my age is concerned, I am actually on 35 years old. I started C&L straight out of college 14 years ago, back when the 5.0 world was in it's infancy. It was really tough in the early days, as we were going up against well established competition that had forged many alliances with well respected companies. As the general public became more and more educated, and (especially) when people started testing things for themselves on Dynojets, it really helped to open people's eyes to what we were doing.
As for the test results from the shop in your area, I am not at all familiar with the differences between readings on that type of dyno and the "industry standard" Dynojet. The person who started this thread saw a peak torque reading of 311 ft/lbs on a Dynojet. When he gets his new tune, I simply can not imagine that he will gain over 30 ft/lbs more torque at the rear wheels on the same dyno with just a re-flash. His current numbers seem to be in line with what I would expect to see, based upon the modifications that he has done. Which is in the same ballpark as what we have seen testing our product with a basic tune and cat-back.
I appreciate your willingness to see how previous posts may have been a little overzealous, and I am sure that we will both find lots of happy 2005 customers...

Lee

 

I'm not going to garuntee 30 tq, as all cars are different.
As far as the dyno I use being not "industry standard", It has been tested locally with a dynojet to be with in 1-3 rwhp. So I trust it's #'s. My car is right on the Cobra standard with my mods.

Also, it was mentioned, but should be mentioned again. The shop I use, DTP, is in this months MM&FF in 2nd place for the Cobra shootout. Sean's car runs my JLT CAI and was tuned by Brent Hughes. He is the one doing the tune for youe 05 GT's. This car was barly beat by Strictly Performance running a ton more NO2 and boost. So these guys know there tuning, that's why I use them.

I'm corious why Boss continues to go after Chad for his results.
Fact is, if you are tuned for max performance with a set product, then you swap it and tune it for max performance and there is a gain in power. WALAA the part is a direct reason for the gain. Why is this so hard to believe?

So Boss, if you put the JLT and SCT tune on and go back to the track or dyno and lose/gain power you won't think the parts had anything to do with it? :scratch:

Jay

 

Jay,
Apparently my attempt at humor and sarcasm has failed completely, so I will put it in as plain English as I can:

1. I never questioned turbochad's report of (a.) the JLT works or (b.) it made big gains over some un-specified CAI. If you care to look, you will see I congratulated him on his great results.
2. Somehow he took the results from this single test and extrapolated them to mean “big� gains over “any� other CAI on the market. That is the claim I tried to point out, in a humorous way, was simply not proven.
3. turbochad, in no uncertain terms, told me I was "very wrong". Fine, please show me the test results to back up the claim. I'm still waiting for those results.

Now you also have chosen to ignore what I really said and attempt to put words in my mouth so you could hold me up to ridicule. That is most disappointing as I had a higher opinion of you.

I really don't know how I can put it any simpler. If he has impartial test results comparing the JLT to every other CAI on the market which shows "big" gains, please post them and I will be the first to apologize to you and turbochad. I trust if he has not completed a comprehensive test program, then you and turbochad will likewise apologize to me.

Now, have I satisfied your curiosity?

The Boss Hog

 

Look we picked up 12.5rwhp and 15.1rwtq OVER another cai with the JLT, that is that. Sorry that doesnt suit you Boss, but those are the numbers! Why the heck would I lie about it? What do I have to gain? I dont know the guys at JLT, I simply liked the looks and ideas of their product and bought it. As a matter of fact, back on stangnet, I was the first one to call B.S. about the numbers, but not anymore!

 

This conversation is absolutely unbelievable. I have tried three times to say that I agree with your gains against one un-named CAI, but somehow you keep repeating that I don't believe your gains. Why do you keep avoiding the real question? The only conclusion I can come to is that you are deliberately trying to misrepresent what I said, rather than admitting that you have no basis for your claim of the JLT's superiority against all the rest of the CAI's on the market, not just the one you tested against.

I'm done. Have a nice day.

The Boss Hog

 

I feel no need for anyone to apologize here as no one has done anything wrong, but mis comunicate on a internet chat forum.

Not a big deal that needs to be drawn out any further.
Thanks
Jay

 

Just a quick update....

I talked to Jay today and the DTP tune should be on the way. As soon as I receive it, I will schedule dyno time and hopefully get much better numbers.

 

Me too, order a setup from Jay at lunch. He was great to talk to on the phone . . explained everything in detail and even called back with an answer to an altitude question. Thanks for taking time with a mod newbie!

Adam

 

Altitude? I'm worried about that. What did you ask, and what did he tell you?

 

Altitude? I'm worried about that. What did you ask, and what did he tell you?
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Replied to your PM.

 

No problem guys, thanks for the calls.

As far as altitude goes, the car will still have the same capabilities to adjust for the difference. The tune does not remove the factory parameters to do this function.

 

Not to beat on a dead horse to baddly Tucker, I do appologize for being to personal, and perhap's a little to gung-ho in my defence of C&L. I just didn't like the way the "cards" were falling. The "Kill" comment was made here as well.

I also don't blame you for trying to make money and start a business. I would also work very hard and try to addvertise on every medium I could afford. If you are here to truly help people, then I welcome you. I think Lee offered up a lot of great addvice, further testament to his goodness to all "Racers".

Just think, if you build up a good business like C&L, you might have "customer's" like me who get all fired up, when they feel an injustice has occured to your outfit!!

Again, to all member's on this board I never ment any negative comment's toword thier Pony!! I would be the last person to do that, as I try to respect all rides!! Beside's it would be boring if we all had the same Mod's.....

Scincerly, Justin

 

that's it. I'm buying everyone a beer!

.....[remembers just drank them all] errrr. I mean....brinking a deer in everyone's [hiccup] honor!


Glad to see this one get back to the caliber we're used to. Cheers to all for putting the b.s. to rest Can't wait to get modding this April!

 

Ah Man, the show is over! Dagnabbit, it was just getting good

 

i'll be going to a performance shop here in southern NJ in Vineland, Matt Hill Motorsports, he is originally from Bridgeton and has bought a facility in Vineland. I spoke to him several weeks ago. He was very eager and willing to work on my Mustang. He even talked to me on a cordless phone while reflashing a Ford F-150 in the background which sounded sick, must of had flowmasters on it or something. But he gave me a quote for 325 for the xcalibrator (includes custom tuning) 150 bucks for the dyno'ing and 89 bucks total to install the steeda underdrive pulley and CAI. Much much better in price that the other one's that I called. I was recommended by a fellow TMS member who I met up with, Elvism, to go to JDM in Freehold to get tuned. I liked the way they tuned his car and its great, but what they were charging me, was rediculous for 50-60 more horsepower, $1500!!! Compared to the 500-600 Matt Hill was gonna charge me. So in conclusion, I'll be buying the SCT xcalibrator from Matt Hill Motorsports and will be purchasing the JLT CAI with the custom tuned CD. Matt Hill will tune the SCT with the CD and any other tweaks to the comptuer here and there.

In an e-mail sent by Jay from JLT, this is what he wrote me and this was the dyno sheets

Thanks for the interest. You will need a tune with this kit. Most mods are requiring a tune as this car is different the before.
We tested 4 cars all gaining 30-39 RWHP and 28-35 RWTQ with the SCT custom tuned Xcalibrator.
Here's the break down:
JLT with SCT tuner and custom tune package $575
JLT with SCT tune package on CD $225
JLT alone $150
Color upgrade is $25.
Here are some pics and dyno tests.
Let me know
Jay 757 335 1940


and this are his dyno sheets and pics, you can get the color of your car for the color upgrade to the CAI sleeve, thats awesome!!!!



Dyno Sheets:
2005 Auto - JLT Results
2005 GT Tuned- JLT Results

 

Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that these results are a LOT more realistic???

30 rear wheel HP I will believe (in the upper RPM's as noted on the graph)
39 rear wheel HP from an air intake and a tune, however, I do not believe is possible with ANYONES setup. The results provided above on the automatic vehicle are representative of what I would think anyone should see, as it looks pretty much like what we have seen in testing as well. The only way that I could see a 39 HP claim from these charts would be in the very high RPM, after the stock pull hit the rev limiter and they lifted out of the throttle. It must also be noted that the supplied charts below and in the next post are using different types of dynos than the JLT supplied charts. Different dynos will show different (peak level) numbers, but a gain is a gain...

Lee