Ok. I want to chime in here too. This is the first post I have seen where the person did not get what they thought they should and they stated they did not get the full package either, which MIGHT explain it a bit. There has already been a couple of very possitive posts on the JLT as well. I think it is a bit early to be throwing around the "don't deliver as claimed" statement. You are definitely jumping to conclusions. And from your tone, it REALLY looks like you were just DYING for an excuse to jump in and start running the mouth.

Just so you understand, I do NOT have a dog in this race. My car won't even be built until next week and I have not bought any performance products for my car yet. Once we get some more data on what works best, I will be buying, but I don't have any cash on the table as yet.

 

Don't all these intakes just flow more air? If so what's so hard about a tune, don't they just need to balance the air/fuel mixture? Anyway they all have to have severe limits to the additional air they can flow unless we start going to bigger cams, bigger ported heads. I never looked at the parameters that can be tuned so fill me in on what I'm missing.

Thanks,
Jim

 

Tim, I really hope when you recieve your tune from JLT, you take it to the same shop that did the tune you are running now. I say this to get an apples to apples comparison on the same Dyno and avoid any "variable's" in data. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seem's like your tunner did a good job at geting the A/F ratio to hover around 12.6-12.9:1, which is just about right for an 05 GT.

Where does JLT find 30 more HP?? It must be a "Magic Tune"..... Since the A/F ratio is right what's next...Timing....Is that where 30 HP lies?? I wouldn't think so, at all.

Tim, again I hope you get result's, I also hope you can get a refund if Tuckers "Magic" tune doesn't sh#t out 30 more Horse...

"The truth is out there"......

 

Well I can gurantee you that the JLT kit works. We picked up 12.5rwhp and 15.1rwtq just by switching to the JLT CAI! It works and that is plain and simple! I was a non believer too, but if the car is tuned for his kit it will pick up big over any other kit on the market.

 

BTW, we controlled the temp in the dyno room, the engine temp, etc to make sure it was a fair comparison. You have to keep in mind this is not what I got with a cai install, this is what I got OVER another comapnies kit that was already on the car.

 

Justin you've always come across as a fairly reasonable guy, though your posts in this topic are, to put it mildly, shameful. Remember how offended you were when a few folks took shots at your rather "unique" styling choices with your "GT 500." Remember how quick most of us were to defend you, your choices, and your fundamental right to use whatever hardware you wanted without fear of ridicule or harassment?

Ironic, it seems, that YOU now resort to excrement metaphors to degrade a piece of hardware that you happened not to purchase. Do you have any idea how many of your fellow forum mates have that "turd" pipe on their vehicles or on order? I wonder how they feel now knowing that you, the Mighty VegasJay, want to reduce their mods to 7 dollars of sewer conduit from the local hardware store.

To my knowledge, no one has EVER badmouthed the C&L, called it a product that "didn't work" or an "inferior" piece etc. On the contrary, the overwhelming majority of posters consider the C&L to be a high quality (if pricey) setup. Now JLT has been on the scene for what, maybe a month now? Almost everyone who has used Jay's setup has seen solid if not outstanding results. Even our tuning "legends" (Bryan) are giving the "new kid" a fair shake. And yet when one, count it, ONE poster comes along with an incorrect tune and some less than favorable results, you respond that the "truth is starting to emerge." I believe a brief review of probability theory may be in order. :nono:

Leaving our opinions aside, we might get better traction on this issue by examiniing the available evidence. Though I have yet to compile the data, one could envision a simple dataset with posted hp and torque gains and the relevant statistics (percent changes, means, standard deviations etc) for each CAI type. We might then weight these raw scores by inverse of the price, for an accurate "value" estimate. Having eyeballed the various numbers posted on this site, I think we both know what those results will show (the weighted results in particular), but I will certainly let the data speak for themselves... B)

In any event, what happend to the days when Mustang enthusiasts WELCOMED good mods at good prices, whether they owned them or not? A Mustang/GTO "rivalry" makes sense. A CAI "rivalry" strikes me as patently lame. :notnice:

 

Super I have no doubt that it works very well!

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Originally posted by turbochad@March 4, 2005, 11:50 PM
We picked up 12.5rwhp and 15.1rwtq just by switching to the JLT CAI! It works and that is plain and simple!

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Great sounds like good numbers to me.

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Well, two out of three ain't bad . . . . .

The Boss Hog

 

What more proof do you need? I made a 3 hour trip 1 way just to test the JLT out. If it didn't work, believe me I would have let it be known! Anyway, the final numbers will be in the 5.0 Magazine article in a few months.

 

Tell me Vages, what is the SCT tune good for??? 10-15???
He (yet another JLT gain) got 15 over that. Do the math before you type!
Not bad for the $ is it?
Funny thing is he didn't get the DTP tune, his tuner did it. This also tells me the tuner in this thread did something wrong.

It does seem as though some were waiting in the wings for a post like this to come alone and BAMB! Get em go go go attack.

Well, if the few here that are attacking would just calm down and read slowly you would see that all the JLT posts with big gains (from stock and over 2 different CAI's) are from a complete kit with tune. The first "dissapointed" customer didn't get the tune. Go figure?

As far as it being plastic. I'm suprised you are "trying" to use that fact against me, This is a good thing. :scratch: They "should" be made of plastic. If you can get this on a shelf somewhere please tell me where, as it would save me a ton of time and money. I have never seen pipe painted body color, this size and have the provision for the MAF sensor. Call me blind, but I never seen it before. This also atributes the price as well. $150?? Yes, everyone did get there moneys worth.

There are only a few products out there for this car and I welcome more. It's good for us all. I'm a car guy and a Mustang owner. I want to give the best product at a FAIR price.
Thanks to those who know me and don't know me supporting what is right.

Vages: You personally attacked me in your first 2-3 posts then say your not a hater. Wrong! If you have a problem with paying less for more then I can't help you. Next time read the facts before you jump my ...


Boss: Sorry if you disagree, but the tuner can make all the difference in a parts performance. There is a lot more to it then getting a/f's in the 12's. :notnice:

 

Funny how this same discussion of CAIs comes up on every forum, and yes the vendors always get their punches in at the other guy. I don't have an 05 so I have not seen pics of what someone has called "turd pipe" please post a pic so I can see it. I ran my own experiment of CAIs on my 03 Cobra, one thing I can tell you is the tune can be very specific to CAI.
I have included a picture of my "Turd Pipe"

 

Bling Bling!

 

Here is the item in question. It is well worth the money, quality made the difference as Tucker took the time to do it right.

 

It must be noted that "turbochad" switched from the MMR kit to the JLT kit, and not from the C&L system. I believe his results 100%, as I had a report this week that informed me that someone saw a gain of 17 rear wheel HP and plenty of torque switching from the MMR to our system. The gain that "turbochad" has posted in realistic.
Had he claimed to pick up a lot more than this, then I would say that it is suspicious. These engines can only improve "so much" from supplying them with additional airflow to the intake...

 

LeeB99,
It was the testing you guys did at Walker Dyno tune working on the 05 stuff that helped me solve the issue with my 03 Cobra. Blake (dyno owner) saw a shape you guys had played with on my MAC CAI. I was pegging the MAF at ~ 5000 RPM. Took the MAC off and went with the JLT, retuned, and no more MAF pegging. So thanks for helping with my Cobra issue. Blake said you guys did a very good job in all the testing before you brought your product to market.

I think all vendors should remember, we as Mustang owners are looking for a blend of performance and look. Each of us have our own opinions of what looks good, not nice for a differnt vendor to tell us our car looks like a sewer. If performance is equal, the decision might be made by personal preference of looks. I personally have elected to blend paints and shiny metal.

 

It is not my intention to say any bad things about anyone on the internet. I try to stay off the message boards, as it will typically lead to frustration. I am sure that Jay (like myself) in a stand-up guy trying to make an honest living.
Just to give you an example of the type of stuff that goes on these message boards, consider the following...
Shortly after we released information about our 2005 kit, the MMR guy made a post on another message forum (in which he has moderator status) claiming that if you bought our product, your whole world would come to an end. He listed off all kinds of ridiculous allegations and speculation about a product that was not even released yet. When one of the people who was present for our initial testing saw this, he responded to the thread in an attempt to set the record straight. His post was edited/deleted and he received a nasty private message. This type of behaviour is downright insidious.
The availability of "options" is what makes this country great, and I am not interested in saying bad things about other people in order to try to make myself look good. Competition is good, so long as the competitors are not deceiving potential customers in an attempt to further their success. In the (MMR) example sited above, this was the case. If anyone feels that I have posted a comment that was out of line, or uncalled for, then I am truly sorry and it was not intended. I do not want to be seen as a person who resorts to such tactics. In the end, I hope that everyone who buys an upgrade intake assembly is happy with their purchase, whether they buy our product or not. Of course, I would LIKE for them to purchase our product, but understand that people's taste (and spending limits) vary...

Lee

 

Sorry for posting in this thread, when I don't have an 05. I just don't want this forum to end up like some of the others that are nothing but vendor bashing and sarcastic responses to everything.

I should have pointed my last post at VegasJay instead of LeeB99. So I leave this for Jay.
My sewer won first place in the Birmingham World of Wheels, sorry you don't like the look. Please be nice.

 

I bought C & L's CAI because of the success of Vegasjay's ride, but what sold me on C&L more was how I was treated by Lee every time I called. 3-4 times, with many questions. I think he is a stand up guy.

Once I get my underdrive pullies, I will do a proper dyno, with a cooled off motor, on a dynojet, and we will have another example of what the the numbers are.

BTW, I'm taking a collection for my next dyno, if any want to help out!

 

Frankly, I love my turd pipe VegasJay, I had to double check a couple of times to make sure it was you that were making these comments. Very interesting. I guess the real sad thing is that you were so quick to put down a product that cost over half of the C&L and puts down better numbers just b/c you paid alot of money for it. Trust me I have shelled out the loot for both the C&L and JLT but never did I bad bad mouth their product. I was just posting my results that were done the same day, same place, etc. But I guess I will have to get it dynoed at a different shop to "prove" my numbers. As far as the tune goes, it just goes to show that people don't know sh#t when it comes to stuff like this. There is so much more than just dialing in air/fuel ratios. The benefit of purchasing the tune from DTP is that Brent has had alot of time to figure out JLT's turd pipe...pick up a copy of this month's MMFF. The cobra shootout in there has the car Brent tuned so I guess he has some "magical" tunes up his sleeve....

 

The "turd pipe" remarks are just silly. Unless you are *really* handy with a dremel, you aren't going to make a MAF sensor using Home Depot parts.

As for the C&L pipe, it is a work of art. *IF* it gave more gains, then I would gladly pay for it. However, if it is giving equivalent gains (or less) compared to intakes that are half the price, then you are only paying for the bling factor (which it does have).

 

Here she is.........................