MrClean

M5/3.55
C&L Racer CAI
Bamachips 93 Race Tune
FRPP Borla Stingers

NFI what my RWHP/RWTQ numbers are.....but judging from how my car felt stock vs another similarly equipped '07 GT (M5/3.55s), I'd say its on the strong side of the normal distribution curve, so based on what I've seen posted so far with the same CAI and a Bamachips 92 tune, I conservatively figure I'm around 298 RWHP / 319 RWTQ.

Question: Doug's tunes are so good...am I likely to see an improvement (w/o danger of detonation) by getting a custom dyno tune by G-Force in Friendswood/Pearland for example??

mustangfan123

I don't know about 298rwhp cause I got dynoed with gears,cmdp's,udp's,intake,and custom dynotune. I got 293rwhp/313rwtq. I am expecting 300rwhp on a less humid,cooler day. I could be wrong about not getting 298 with just intake/tune, but we will just have to see when you get it to the dyno.

MrClean

You might be right, of course, but check out aremann2's dynosheet (page 6 of the thread, towards the bottom)...with the same C&L intake I have, and the same bamachips 93 tune (although mine's the race, not the performance, tune).......

As I said there is a normal distribution curve for the baselines of each car, and there are differences between tunes. aremann2 peaked at 299.9 rwhp, but realistically the usable rwhp was pretty flat at what looks like 295 rwhp (the tickmarks on the graph are 10 rwhp/rwtq each, and its halfway between the last tick and the 300 rwhp/rwtq line)...so I may have been a little optimistic about 298 rwhp, but you have proof in front of you of a solid, usable 295 rwhp with the same mods I have. Keep in mind you're running a tune from another tuner, and also a different CAI and a different exhaust.

As you correctly point out, we'll see when I det it dynoed....and I just found out about a dyno in my neighborhood.....

OKCMustangGT

I would say your expectations are set a little high just from what I have seen from the majority of these S197s Dynos with similar modifications. My estimate would be 288-290 HP & 309-310 TQ. (See how close I am when you get it dynoed )

I just got mine on Doug's DynoJET Saturday.

5sp Man/3.55 Gears
C & L Street CAI
91 Race Tune (BamaChips)
Flowmaster A/T Exhaust

Numbers = 284HP / 305TQ

The racer intake shouldn't make an additional 10-12 HP over the street nor will the 91 to 93 octane.

Another comparison is TacoBill's car.
K&N CAI
91 Race Tune (BamaChips)
Stingers
O/R H-Pipe
If my memory serves me, he was steady at about 295 although he did spike over 300, but his graph was pretty jagged. (Might want to verify that with Bill )

EDIT: I took a look at the Dyno sheet of aremann2's you referenced and I will say that is THE highest I have seen an S197 put down with the mods he had listed.
My opinions on that dyno run
a)That puppy was built to run
b)All the mods were not listed (ex O/R H-Pipe, etc)
c)That the Dyno was a Mustang Dyno, which I have heard "always" reads higher numbers.
JUST my opinion though

MrClean

Thanks for the reality check. 290 rwhp sounds about right...at a 15% driveline loss that would put me/us at ~340 fwhp...or 21 fwhp better than a Shelby!

MSGTGT

My modified 2007 Tungsten Grey Mustang GT:

Paxton Novi 2200 (H.O.) blower with intercooler, high-capacity fuel injectors, hi-flow fuel pump, Stage I Crane Supercharger cams package, JBA ceramic-coated titanium shorty headers; JBA axle back exhaust system; Stage II auto trans and torque converter upgrade, BMR 3.75" Carbon fiber one-piece composite drive shaft, Yukon High Performance 3:73 gears, Custom SCT ECM Performance Tune, American Racing Torq Thrust 18 X 9 wheels, 255/45 R18 BF Goodrich G-Force KDW 2 tires.

Baseline - ? (whatever a stock GT with Auto trans puts out)
RWHP = 442
RWTQ = 385
WINPEP 7 Dynojet Performance Eval done at C & M Performance

Pictures of my car being modified: http://www.big3performance.com/gallery/07_sleeper/index.html

Some changes were made after that build - the tune was changed to SCT by C & M Performance.

orangeRcode

I would post mine but with the 4V engine I am not sure that it is the info you want.

05YellowGT

Well I got my car back from Steeda yesterday after having them install the MagnaCharger , and all I can say is

We got 430.13 RWHP and 394.3 RWTQ , but notice how the torque is almost a flat line. The second set of results is from the last time Steeda dyno'd my car , it had the CAI , CMPD , UD pulleys and the axle back exhaust at the time and we got 304.4 RWHP and 320.1 RWTQ. The CMPD and UD pulleys were removed for the supercharger , so now the only other mods are the Steeda CAI , FRPP X-Pipe and Steeda axal back exhaust ...

MrClean

Dang that's some nice torque "line"...it isn't a curve! Suhweet!!! Congrats. Must feel like a freight train is pulling....

MrClean

Hello Daryl,

Here's what I did: had a local tuner-shop with a dynojet do a "tweak" of Doug's tune, to see if we could improve on it (match it to the car's specific peculiarities). So there's 2 runs, before and after:

These are ALL Correction Factor SAE numbers, and all retreived from the WinPEP7 files (the tabulated data was exported from WinPEP7 to a text file, and I then used Excel functions to extract and convert the text to numbers so I could run a delta column):
Before Dyno: Max HP 282.59 / Max Tq 279.91
After Tweak Dyno: Max HP 288.30 / Max Tq 301.51

The Delta's are as follows:

Min Increase 0.31 hp / 0.52 ftlbs
Max Increase 19.77 hp / 23.96 ftlbs
Average Increase 3200-6300 RPM: 12.40 hp / 14.25 ftlbs
Average Increase 3600-5500 RPM: 17.23 hp / 19.95 ftlbs

What was happening was that the timing was too aggressive in the 93R tune (with a rich mixture to try to cool the combustion, I guess), so the knock sensors detected detonation and the PCM pulled timing...so we just backed timing off some, and leaned out the mix from <12 to just under 13. The result was that I gained back all that area under the curve...so the peak numbers don't tell the whole story.

Here are the graph exported as a jpg file, and the tables exported as a txt file. (Note the guy in the car on the 2nd run didn't "get on it" until >3000 rpm...)

EDIT: SOOO I guess you were right on @ 288!!

brown spit8

manual 5
jba lt's, off road h, flowmasters, jlt cai, tuned by steeda
97 degrees (south fla summer)
311 rwhp, 325 rwt
got some SAE equation that put it at 317 and 331 at normal conditions

MrClean

Which at the crank trnslates to 365 hp/382ftlbs...nice!

05YellowGT

Congrats , nice numbers ... They're a little better than mine that I show in my post above from when I was NA. The lt's must do it , I had the CMDP's , pulleys and axial back exhaust and got 304.4 RWHP and 320.1 RWTQ. Sam at Steeda knows what he's doing ...

brown spit8

yeah i was impressed and excited to see the dyno results. got 4.10's in the same day. now i need some tires

GhostTX

So, where's the actual database file?

TMSBrad

CDC Shaker Hood Scoop
Vortech Satin Finish High Output Supercharger & Air-to-Water Intercooler
MRT Fuel Rails
Ford Racing GT500 Dual Fuel Pump from Mustangs Unlimited
JBA Titanium Ceramic-Coated Shorty Headers
Magnaflow Cat-Back Exhaust
Steeda Sport Shifter
Redline Synthetic Oil
BamaChips SCT Tune


Stock: 265.89/280.05
Magnaflow Cat-Back: 269.72/286.28
JBA Headers + BamaChips SCT Tune: 271.43/293.09
Vortech: 474.97/406.83
I need a new tune with the dual fuel pump and soon-to-be-installed Steeda Charge Motion Plates. 500 rwhp?
DynoJet at Walker Dyno

5-speed manual transmission

Falchion

Mods, Granatelli CAI, with Flowmaster American Thunder Axle-Back Exhaust.

No Dyno data as of yet!

PACETTR

2kanchoo

06 gt standard.
I unfortunently don't have a stock baseline.
- WMS intake with 95mm MAF housing and sealed ram air box
- Steeda UD pulleys
- FRPP ceramic shorty headers
- FRPP x-pipe
- Flowmaster mufflers
- Sct excalibrator 2 with brenspeed tune then dyno tuned
- spydershaft alum d/s
- whole shwack of suspension stuff
- and the list goes on.
First off I want to say that my numbers are WAY higher than anyone else with similar mods. I'm guessing the dyno is out. Anyway I got 364/385 sae corrected on a dynojet. The first run shown was with 80mm MAF no tune. The 338rwhp was with 95mm MAF and a crap frpp tune (11.7 a/f) The 364rwhp was with a brenspeed tune with the a/f and timing etc tweeqed on the dyno.

tact_out

Cervini's C-500 Body Kit
Procharger P1SC Stage II
Extreme Performance HT Spark Plugs
MMR 5.0 Stroker Motor
MMR Race Oil Pan
Stage II Ported Heads w/SS valves and springs/Gaskets/Head Studs
60lb Injectors
Ford GT40 Dual Pump kit
RBT700 Clutch
Fidanza Alum Flywheel
MGW Short Throw Shifter
Strange 3.90 Gears
Kooks LT's w/X-Pipe
CDC Gauge Pod
Innovation Wideband AFR w/LC1 Kit
Stewart Warner Oil Pressue and Boost Gauge SCT Tuner
SCT BA-5000 Mustang Big Air Slot Style MAF Meter

Mods that I just ordered today

The Fallowing Are All BMR

Upper Control Arm Mount
Tubular Radiator Support
Street LCA (adjustable)
Xtreme Anti-Roll Bar
Adjustable Upper Control Arm w/poly bushing
HD Boxed Subframe Connector
Control Arm Relocation Bracket

I am replacing my 20" Foose Acots for either 17" Weld Racing Alumastars or FR500's with MT Street Slicks. 315/45-17 in the rear

After those mods go on it is getting custom painted with realistic real fire flames. More red in color then yellow and orange to keep it a clean look that doesnt stand out as much.