Terminator VS GT500
6/19/08, 08:16 AM
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I drove 3 Cobras and every one was uncomfortable to me. More specifically, the relative position of the shifter, steering wheel, pedals and seat. When driving the Cobras, I had to not only put the seat all the way back but also recline it slightly to be able to get a proper distance to the pedals and steering wheel. But once in that position, I had to lean forward to shift the trans. Then on top of that, the clutch effort was ridiculously heavy.
Since I had actually driven the Cobras before any GT's, I was bummed and had all but given up on the Mustang. Then, I test drove a couple '03 GT's and found them to be far more comfortable. Specifically, the relative positions of the items mentioned above. You say they're all the same but unless all three Cobras I drove were somehow modified, I respectfully beg to differ with your statement.
Since I had actually driven the Cobras before any GT's, I was bummed and had all but given up on the Mustang. Then, I test drove a couple '03 GT's and found them to be far more comfortable. Specifically, the relative positions of the items mentioned above. You say they're all the same but unless all three Cobras I drove were somehow modified, I respectfully beg to differ with your statement.
6/20/08, 07:25 AM
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I like em both. The Terminator has great looks, performance and IRS. The GT500 has good looks, more performance out of the box and a hydraulic clutch. I wonder if Ford has in the works an IRS for the s197. That and a diet on the GT500 would made a HUGE difference.
6/20/08, 09:01 AM
#84
Needs to be more Astony
Ever taken turns like say like a long curved on ramp and hit bumpers or holes int he road and felt the whoe rear end jump and shimmy over? Or going straight and hit a pothole on one side yet the whole rearend feels the effects? Thats what happens with a solid rear.
Soild rear works pretty darn well on say a smooth race track but in real world an IRS is superior in ride, handling, control.
There is a reason that the mustang is the only car in the world that still employs a solid rear.
Soild rear works pretty darn well on say a smooth race track but in real world an IRS is superior in ride, handling, control.
There is a reason that the mustang is the only car in the world that still employs a solid rear.
6/20/08, 09:40 AM
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I'm aware of the one benefit of IRS but unless I'm crazy, there's a whole lot of posts on a whole lot of Mustang forums by Cobra owners voicing a whole lot of negative comments about their IRS. Hell, there's a ton of Cobra's that have been switched over to live-axle right? Why would they go to all that trouble, if IRS was hands-down the superior setup? And why did Ford specifically NOT use IRS on the GT500? The answer to both is that a whole lot of Mustang guys told Ford they didn't want IRS on a high-output Mustang. To be honest, every time I dump the clutch in my Mustang, I'm VERY GLAD I don't have IRS. Also, I've driven plenty of cars with live-axles that managed to handle high-speed sweepers just fine so I'm very sure it's quite possible to improve the handling characteristics of the Mustang w/o having to install IRS.
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6/20/08, 10:36 AM
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The rambling of the sn95 IRS is rightly so. It was a far then less ideal design since they were forced to use solid axle mounting points. They did the best they could but it was no where near any other manufactures IRS.
There would not be those complaints since the new chassis is designed to use a well designed IRS.
There would not be those complaints since the new chassis is designed to use a well designed IRS.
6/20/08, 10:56 AM
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While I agree in theory with your position, I still think a "pony-car" like the Mustang is probably better off with a live axle, especially since most owners are more interested in straight-line performance anyway. Plus you have to figure that a large number of owners will mod their cars (some significantly) which will throw most if not all the OEM calibrations out the window. So again, why bother?
6/20/08, 11:20 AM
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CTS V is not a good example as the car was not designed as a RWD IRS car. it was a FWD car that they redid best possible to make a RWD car out of it.
The new RWD CTS won't have problems.
There are tons of cars that do well in a straight line with IRS, Corvette, Viper, Supra.
And the amount of people that mod mustang in perspective to that amount sold is prob around 1%.
The new RWD CTS won't have problems.
There are tons of cars that do well in a straight line with IRS, Corvette, Viper, Supra.
And the amount of people that mod mustang in perspective to that amount sold is prob around 1%.
6/20/08, 01:36 PM
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CTS V is not a good example as the car was not designed as a RWD IRS car. it was a FWD car that they redid best possible to make a RWD car out of it.
The new RWD CTS won't have problems.
There are tons of cars that do well in a straight line with IRS, Corvette, Viper, Supra.
And the amount of people that mod mustang in perspective to that amount sold is prob around 1%.
The new RWD CTS won't have problems.
There are tons of cars that do well in a straight line with IRS, Corvette, Viper, Supra.
And the amount of people that mod mustang in perspective to that amount sold is prob around 1%.
If not that car, how about the GTO? Same issues, and as far as I recall, it was designed as a RWD as well.
And I have to say I doubt your 1% figure on how many Mustangs get modded.
Also, think about the cars you're using as examples, these cars are not in the same league as a Mustang.
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6/22/08, 06:55 PM
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Terminator guys replaced the IRS for drag racing purposes which suits a live axle better. The GTO's IRS has no major issues I am aware of unless some serious mods are involved and drag racing use. Even then a set of drag bags and DR's and 1.5 60's are possible on stock GTO IRS's. They are generally stouter than the Fbodies live axle setup. Pull a 1.5 with an Fbody on DR's and you will say bye bye to the rear (even though the Fbody 10 bolt is a joke).
6/24/08, 11:37 PM
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I also suspect the number is probably near or at a double digit in regards to people modifying the car.
6/25/08, 05:44 AM
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I suspect its much higher than that, that would only be 1,000 people out of every 100,000 - The S197 has certainly eclipsed the 1/2 million mark by now so that would mean that about 5,000 people have modified thier Mustangs - slim pickings for the aftermarket to even consider messing with.
I also suspect the number is probably near or at a double digit in regards to people modifying the car.
I also suspect the number is probably near or at a double digit in regards to people modifying the car.
Mustang=fun
Mustang+mods=double fun
9/12/08, 02:33 AM
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...SVT_163963.htm
Just addin a lil fuel to the fire. Great vid though!
Here's another just for fun. '08 GT500 vs 66 Restomod:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-66_172235.htm
Just addin a lil fuel to the fire. Great vid though!
Here's another just for fun. '08 GT500 vs 66 Restomod:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-66_172235.htm
Last edited by stangfoeva; 9/12/08 at 02:37 AM.
9/20/08, 06:38 PM
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http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...SVT_163963.htm
Just addin a lil fuel to the fire. Great vid though!
Here's another just for fun. '08 GT500 vs 66 Restomod:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-66_172235.htm
Just addin a lil fuel to the fire. Great vid though!
Here's another just for fun. '08 GT500 vs 66 Restomod:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/H...-66_172235.htm
9/20/08, 06:59 PM
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9/21/08, 12:24 AM
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Very true statement, The car had the most heaviest clutch I have ever experienced in any car or truck! After just a few minutes in Socal traffic I wanted to pull over and shoot the **** thing
But I was and still am in love with the looks and the power, the blower whine
I sold my first cobra due to the clutch, then I missed the power bought another one..then I remembered why I sold the first one
With this said, I will own another one in the future
the first one...a 2003
the second one...a 2004
But I was and still am in love with the looks and the power, the blower whine
I sold my first cobra due to the clutch, then I missed the power bought another one..then I remembered why I sold the first oneWith this said, I will own another one in the future
the first one...a 2003
the second one...a 2004
Me 2 
Jed