Well lets see, with a 201 pound weight advantage and a 47 ft/lbs torque advantage with the GT?

Trans gear I-V x Final Drive x Peak Torque / Tire Radius / Curb Weight = t/w ratio

2.97 x 3.55 x 320 = 3373.92/1.1358 = 2970.44/3540 = 1.19
1.78 x 3.55 x 320 = 2022.08/1.1358 = 1780.31/3540 = 1.99
1.30 x 3.55 x 320 = 1476.80/1.1358 = 1300.22/3540 = 2.73
1.00 x 3.55 x 320 = 1136.00/1.1358 = 1000.18/3540 = 3.54
0.80 x 3.55 x 320 = 908.80/1.1358 = 800.14/3540 = 4.42

4.07 x 3.27 x 273 = 3633.33/1.1950 = 3040.44/3741 = 1.23
2.37 x 3.27 x 273 = 2115.72/1.1950 = 1770.48/3741 = 2.11
1.55 x 3.27 x 273 = 1383.70/1.1950 = 1157.91/3741 = 3.23
1.16 x 3.27 x 273 = 1035.54/1.1950 = 866.56/3741 = 4.32
0.85 x 3.27 x 273 = 758.80/1.1950 = 634.98/3741 = 5.89

Anyways you can see the F5 has a torque advantage in 1st gear but it diminishes after that but the car has to carry more weight. It looks pretty close in I - II gears, but III gear and above the Mustang has a pretty good Advantage.

I figured it based on a stripped M5 V8 Mustang with a 235/50R18 vs a stripped A6 V6 Camaro with a 245/45R20

Its getting late so I'm gonna stop here, but if anybody wants to convert the peak torque values into horsepower (torque x rpm / 5252 = hp), it might yield different results since the V6 F5 produces peak torque @ 5200 rpm vs the GT's peak torque at 4500 rpm, just use the value after the adjustment for tire radius (which diminishes the effective torque) and divide the curb weight by that number.

however you cut it, unless ford introduces it now then we all will be sucking hind teet until 2011 and 10 is going to be a lonnnnnnnnnnngggg year while dodge and chevy are pointing the finger laughing.

bob, i was not being serious about the v6 but for most they only see the hp number and that is it. even if ford is to do the tt v6 everyone is hoping for, i am still a v8 guy.

How so? The R/T Dodge will have more HP, but it can't even outrun a GT thanks to it's elephant weight. The SS will definitely outrun a 4.6 GT, but it will cost significantly more. Nothing to worry about imo

GM and Dodge boys normally look too much into hp/tq numbers. I usually like to see things from a $ to $ stand point. For a Stock f5 to beat a stock GT, GM boys have to pay about 6k more (at least). So anyone thinking about getting a Camaro, wait an extra year, buy a GT and put the money you save into mods, then just see how many car lengths in front you'll be. Think this motor will be able to get 400 to the wheels with just bolt ons?

I think the Camaro will be the quicker car......but I don't care. For me, there's so much that's more important than a few 1/10th here and there. I love the look of the new Camaro and it'll be a great car, I'm sure. BUT, there's just something so right about the Mustang. Perhaps it's the uninterrupted 45 year history, perhaps it's the fact the Mustang is a film star, past and present. The Mustang is THE iconic Pony car and that's what does it for me.

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Very true. I do not understand why Ford is putting the new 5.0 out without direct injection at launch. It's a stupid move in my opinion. Ford has the technology and it improves power, increases efficiency, and decreases emissions. The move is typical Ford non-sense.

I think the 11' GT will be the quicker car or at least equal to the Camaro in 1/4 times, but the more expensive Camaro will be the more complete car in terms of performance. I have a feeling that the Camaro will have superior braking (optional Brembos) and handling (IRS) over the Stang but will also cost much more. At the same time the Mustang should offer more high tech stuff like Sync and a much better looking interior. Perhaps the only major drawback is that the Camaro and Challenger are "all new" while the Mustang is a minor face lift. I don't think looks alone are gonna get people to trade in their current gen Mustang for an 10', but maybe i'm wrong. Personally I think we should boycott the 10' so we can get the 5.0 sooner....look at the 04 to 05 GTO. GM reacted quick to get a better motor under the hood maybe ford will do the same :grin:

I have a feeling both cars will be quite successful at least for a year or two. I think the Challenger is gonna be the real loser in the 3 way pony car battle. Even if we have a carryover 4.6 for 10', the top dog GT500 will at least match the current gen's GT500 so I think Ford still wins the HP war for the 10' model year!

As I said elsewhere, "having" something and being able to mass produce it for a mainline product are two different things. The 5.0 was designed with DI in mind, but designing an engine for DI doesn't magically establish the suppliers, in-house assembly lines, training, and quality testing. Its the same reason the V6s launched without DI, and why the first vehicle to get it will be the relatively low volume MKS.

gt500 with the dealer mark up all over again ftl.

and why should i have to buy a gt500 to be above the base v8's from the competitors? the base model v8 should be the competition for the others and not the 15k more top mustang.

see i was starting to get excited and that post pissed me off all over again!!! with that said, i am in the market for a gt500 but again if it is not going to be updated until 2011 then i will find an 07 or 08.

I think the 5.0 is gonna rip. It's going to be a really impressive motor. For once I think the Mustang will be able to hold it's own against higher end sports coupes. It could actually be a poor mans M3 if this motor is as good as it sounds.

hell yeaa and maybe it can beat the m3 lol doubt it

Camaro: 420hp, 3800lbs, 9.05lbs/hp
Mustang: 400hp, 3600lbs, 9.00lbs/hp

Assuming the mustang gains 100-150lbs (I'm pretty sure it will. Ford isn't doing their "lose 300lbs on every model" for a few more years), it should still be marginally faster. So it's really up to the tires and drivers.

But I don't see why NINE people would think that the camaro will actually be faster..

We won't see the markups we saw back when the 07' GT500 came out. Sure we might see them for a short time but not for $20,000 above MSRP like in 06'.....people are crazy. For one it is no longer the only car around, it will compete with Chevy and Dodge. Second, this car is now slated to be in production for a while now and isn't being hailed as the "limited 2 year production run" as first thought. Take a look around, there are several GT500s sitting on lots for MSRP now, just be patient as i'm also looking to pick one of these up in the next year or two. As far as the "base V8" Camaro I have a feeling it will be closer in price with the GT500 than the GT. The 10' base model Camaro is in the same price range as a current GT. Heck, I remember even during the 4th gen days the Z28 was about the Same price as the top model Cobra.

well atleast the mustang and camaro be a dam good challange ;)

I totally agree with you. I couldn't care less who can beat who, I'll always go with the Mustang because of what it is.

^^ i am a ford/mustang man too, even got the ford tatoo's (mis spent youth) to go with it but.......... a smart buy is exactly that and you have to weigh the options out there. after reading an article on the challenger i know dodge will not get my money.

i am sure i will never stray though, i can not put chevy on my body..lol..

If we are talking drag strip the Stang will beat the Camaro. However, on a road course it might be the other way around.

Other manufacturers have been able to mass produce direct injection. This is just another example of Ford being late to the game. Mazda has the technology, so you have all the resources covered.

Going to vote Mustang all the way! IF Ford wises up, there would be a 6-speed transmission across the line (for uh, fuel economy reasons...) to put more hurt on the Camaro/Challenger competition.

base? Its the ONLY V8 the camaro has

There will be a 6-speed with the 5.0 :nice: