2014 Chevrolet SS teased in Holden VF Commodore photos
2/12/13, 11:04 PM
#41
Bull crap man! Americans were all about those big SUV's before it all went to hell. Gas prices damm near doubled overnight. People panicked and quit buying them for the most part. The big 3 were all geared up pushing big SUV's as much as possible. It killed the structure they were working on. The fuel economy regulations didn't really kick in till a couple years later. Big Oil caused the economy crash and the two bailouts and the government let it happen.
End of rant.
Is that what they taught you to say at the OCAW Local 4-620?
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2/12/13, 11:20 PM
#42
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2/12/13, 11:22 PM
#44
Call me nuts but yeah. Obviously there are contributing factors but yes when the over weight fat **** dies of a heart attack I don't blame Colonel Sanders, I blame the fat ****er for not eating a carrot now and then.
2/12/13, 11:30 PM
#45
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So you didn't have a big SUV back then. Just like you don't own one now. So the big 3 were all producing them and were in high demand. Is this why gas prices went through the roof? And still just as high even with fuel economy regulations. I could see blaming Middle East and foreign oil but not the big 3. You guys are just way too biased against a bailout to see the entire picture. Like closing the GM and Chrysler doors would have made things so much better. Geez.
2/12/13, 11:38 PM
#47
So you didn't have a big SUV back then. Just like you don't own one now. So the big 3 were all producing them and were in high demand. Is this why gas prices went through the roof? And still just as high even with fuel economy regulations. I could see blaming Middle East and foreign oil but not the big 3. You guys are just way too biased against a bailout to see the entire picture. Like closing the GM and Chrysler doors would have made things so much better. Geez.
I didn't build a house or sign a contract for a house for 12 months in '08-'09 and literally had nothing to do for 6 months but we didn't lose an employee or shut our doors because we had reserves and we adapted to building sheds and remodels and doing what we had to to survive.
I don't feel sorry for them. I do feel sorry for the workers who thought they had a job for life and then lost it because the board, union bosses, and government policies ran a company into the toilet with overweighted pensions, executive salaries, health care packages, and wages coerced at the point of a figurative gun barrel from a company who was kicking the debt like a can down the road much the same way that our government does this very day.
And has done for many years. Not just under this guy.
Edit: and the credit crisis. Can't forget the credit crisis. Between consumer confidence fears and the credit crisis for not only consumers and for day to day operations of large corporations its a miracle most of these businesses survived.
But no bailouts. Sorry. I don't care for Fascism. Even temporarily. Bankruptcy has a purpose. Not an Obama bankruptcy but a legitimate one.
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2/12/13, 11:49 PM
#48
A Man Just Needs Some....
Whoops. My bad.
I didn't build a house or sign a contract for a house for 12 months in '08-'09 and literally had nothing to do for 6 months but we didn't lose an employee or shut our doors because we had reserves and we adapted to building sheds and remodels and doing what we had to to survive.
I don't feel sorry for them. I do feel sorry for the workers who thought they had a job for life and then lost it because the board, union bosses, and government policies ran a company into the toilet with overweighted pensions, executive salaries, health care packages, and wages coerced at the point of a figurative gun barrel from a company who was kicking the debt like a can down the road much the same way that our government does this very day.
And has done for many years. Not just under this guy.
I ain't hating on companies the took the easy road to keep the doors open.
2/13/13, 04:23 AM
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Um, what? They put themselves in government hands as soon as they begged for and agreed to take rather massive amounts of bailout money, which was before he was sworn in.
2/13/13, 07:01 AM
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Bull crap man! Americans were all about those big SUV's before it all went to hell. Gas prices damm near doubled overnight. People panicked and quit buying them for the most part. The big 3 were all geared up pushing big SUV's as much as possible. It killed the structure they were working on. The fuel economy regulations didn't really kick in till a couple years later. Big Oil caused the economy crash and the two bailouts and the government let it happen.
End of rant.
End of rant.
It's because they paid attention to their entire lineup. Chrysler can blame whoever they want that they went down, but in the end its their own fault that they never had a competitive compact and mid-size cars and crossovers.
2/13/13, 07:05 AM
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Why didn't Toyota had financial issues then? After all, Toyota had just as many big vehicles as let say Chrysler. They had Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, 4Runner ...
It's because they paid attention to their entire lineup. Chrysler can blame whoever they want that they went down, but in the end its their own fault that they never had a competitive compact and mid-size cars and crossovers.
It's because they paid attention to their entire lineup. Chrysler can blame whoever they want that they went down, but in the end its their own fault that they never had a competitive compact and mid-size cars and crossovers.
2/13/13, 07:09 AM
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I like the discussion, but this thread is suppose to be about the Holden VF/Chevy SS, not about the dynamics of certain car companies and the mitigating factors surrounding their operations.
2/13/13, 11:31 AM
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