Unfilled '05 Orders Carried Over to '06
4/7/05, 08:51 PM
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Thinking out loud...did Ford know how the 4.6l 3v was going to stand up to this application and did they want to limit production until it was proven?
Did they know that buyers were literally going to come out of the woodwork?
Did they know that buyers were literally going to come out of the woodwork?
4/7/05, 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by Stadifer@April 6, 2005, 6:08 PM
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
4/8/05, 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by army_eod+April 8, 2005, 7:50 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(army_eod @ April 8, 2005, 7:50 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Stadifer@April 6, 2005, 6:08 PM
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
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V6 sales are not "low"...
4/8/05, 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by army_eod@April 8, 2005, 7:50 AM
Question: based on low V-6 sales, do you think Ford will add something to the 2006 V6 to get sales moving? Like bigger wheels, mo power????
Question: based on low V-6 sales, do you think Ford will add something to the 2006 V6 to get sales moving? Like bigger wheels, mo power????
I highly doubt that Ford makes a major production shift between MY's. The surge in GT sales can probably be attributed to the enthusiast coming back to buy a new one and they are going to want the GT. I'd be willing to bet in the next year or two sales shift back to V6 with the GT becoming the minority once again.
Right now Ford needs to let the market find it's own equilibrium without too much monkeying. If they play with prices, features, or production too much it could deflate the market and the Ford is realllllyyyyy hosed.
4/8/05, 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by Stadifer+April 8, 2005, 10:57 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Stadifer @ April 8, 2005, 10:57 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-army_eod@April 8, 2005, 7:50 AM
Question: based on low V-6 sales, do you think Ford will add something to the 2006 V6 to get sales moving? Like bigger wheels, mo power????
Question: based on low V-6 sales, do you think Ford will add something to the 2006 V6 to get sales moving? Like bigger wheels, mo power????
I highly doubt that Ford makes a major production shift between MY's. The surge in GT sales can probably be attributed to the enthusiast coming back to buy a new one and they are going to want the GT. I'd be willing to bet in the next year or two sales shift back to V6 with the GT becoming the minority once again.
Right now Ford needs to let the market find it's own equilibrium without too much monkeying. If they play with prices, features, or production too much it could deflate the market and the Ford is realllllyyyyy hosed.
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Personally, with the way all Mustangs have sold, I doubt Ford could do much in the way of anything to srew it up. That said, I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut you see another price increase for the '06s.
4/8/05, 09:24 PM
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Originally posted by Stadifer@April 6, 2005, 9:08 AM
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
I gotta defend Ford a little bit here. First off historically it has been the V6 sales that has carried the Mustang (roughly 70%+ EVERY year for a long time). Why would you suddenly shift production when your past numbers clearly indicate that the V6 is the bigger seller? The only reason why GT's are in such high demand is because this is the first year of an amazingly succesful re-design of America's pony car. So in turn the major Mustang fans said "I want that!" so the first year is expected to see a surge in GT sales. Next year or the year following it is likely that sales once again shift towards the V6.
Should Ford had expected this change? Perhaps, but the numbers clearly showed that the V6 is the top seller.
As far as production capability is concerned. An article posted on here made it pretty clear how Ford figures out what cars get their V8 engine. The report stated that Ford felt the F-150 line was too valuable to decrease its production which takes the same engine. You can't increase production if you can't increase the production of ALL the components that go into the car. I can't blame Ford because they'll make far more money on an F-150 then they ever would a GT Mustang.
So Ford is left with only two options. Reduce demand by increasing price or allow the market to find its own equalibrium. So far it appears Ford is doing the later and for that I'm relieved. If Mustang takes a big price increase it could push it out of my price range easily.
I do agree that no price protection is crap. I also understand everyone is excited to get their very own pony. Unfortunately sometimes you have to wait for a very good thing. Look at it in a positive way. You'll have more time to save up a down payment and in turn decrease the interest paid for your loan.
4/8/05, 11:33 PM
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Dudes, I suggest we all wait 1 to 2 years and get a nice used 05 for a much reduced price. I don't buy new cars. I alway wait till the price catches up with the value. As the newer cars come out they will surely drop in value. Also, any bugs that show up, would likely be worked out in the first 2 years any way under warrenty issues. No need to really worry here. There will plenty of 05 toys to pickup in the future. 
4/9/05, 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Fast351@April 6, 2005, 10:54 AM
I am intrested in that info, too Rampant. I am more than happy to get an 06', but I really would like to know what options I have for that model year. I sure as heck want to know what Colorado Red and Vista Blue are going to look like.........
I am intrested in that info, too Rampant. I am more than happy to get an 06', but I really would like to know what options I have for that model year. I sure as heck want to know what Colorado Red and Vista Blue are going to look like.........
http://www.fordfocus.com.au/home/model_zetec/
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