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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by goldenpony
Ray, you're a local hero and a leader of men! Great kill!
Now we're talkin. More posts like this, please.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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Nice kill!

Nothing like putting someone in his place. He probably thought he was hot ... stuff.

PWNED!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 05GT-O.C.D.
More like apples and watermelons.

j/k
Well sure. Ever try to get 2 car seats, strollers, and luggage into an apple?
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Old May 3, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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Right on, brutha!! Posts like yours are the reason I have decided to keep mine a "sleeper"...as much as it can be with hood scoop and red racing stripes, anyhow!

I was tempted to SC badge my pony, but decided that it was more fun to catch snobby *** Mopar and Chevy dudes off guard!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 11:46 AM
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Ok so i guess they bs'd about the power of the stock 426 hemi, and i believed it.... but it was one of the meanest motors ever produced and no disputing that. being partial to ford I loved the numbers that the 427 put down! I was really surprised at the hemi as I had heard plenty of times that the advertised hp and tq ratings were lowball just to please the insurance companies. live and learn i guess.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 12:14 PM
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They were underrated, but there is no way that hemi or the ford were bone stock. They probably did make that much power, but not bone stock. Some "minor" modifications I'm sure, were done before the dyno. 800hp is nearly 2hp/cid! No way out of a stock motor on non-race gas! Not when manufacturers today are just cracking 1.5hp/cid with all the engine advances and technology.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bigray327
Now we're talkin. More posts like this, please.
You da man, my posts about the SRT 8 had nothing to do about your kill. I mean I can't pull 5 car lengths on one, only a fender
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Old May 3, 2007 | 01:23 PM
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Try This One

Here's another Charger awaiting you. Shouldn't be hard to spot LOL. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge...08256198QQrdZ1
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Old May 3, 2007 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by exgto
All due respect my Magnum SRT8 ran times that were consistantly better than my GT when it was stock. On average they were anywhere from .3-.4 tenths better.
And I don't doubt it either. There's something about Arizona that's funky when it comes to drag racing. Our times are way lower than the average, probably has something to do with the complete lack of moisture in the air, and in the summer...forget it, it's not even worth racing in that heat!

My point was that the SRT-8 isn't the killer that most people think it is. I was quite surprised when going up against them, I half expected to lose those races, and I didn't. And I'm an automatic as well. In fact the guy who posted the 13's did so manually shifting, when all he could manage was 14's letting it shift itself
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Old May 3, 2007 | 02:34 PM
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The stock SRT-8's have a torque limiting function in their computer program for first gear from what I understand. Evidently D/C couldn't make a strong enough drivetrain for that heavy car. Not having full power in 1st will DESTROY their ET. ET races are won and lost on the starting line. That is why their 1/4 mile times are not that great, but if you look at the mph, I bet it is signifigantly higher than the 'stangs. It loses the race on the start, but powers it's way through the top end.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by theedge67
The stock SRT-8's have a torque limiting function in their computer program for first gear from what I understand. Evidently D/C couldn't make a strong enough drivetrain for that heavy car. Not having full power in 1st will DESTROY their ET. ET races are won and lost on the starting line. That is why their 1/4 mile times are not that great, but if you look at the mph, I bet it is signifigantly higher than the 'stangs. It loses the race on the start, but powers it's way through the top end.
You're partially correct. The "ESP" system has three settings. However, even in the "off" setting still limits full torque to the rear wheels to about 85%. This is according to SRT engineers in a Q&A.

The strength of the drivetrain is not the issue however. It's more a matter of German computer engineering.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ponyonfire
Here's another Charger awaiting you. Shouldn't be hard to spot LOL. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Dodge...08256198QQrdZ1
62 Bids already.... and it can be yours for the low price of $2.8M.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 04:19 PM
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nice!!
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Old May 3, 2007 | 04:54 PM
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holy crap!! that's insane!

725hp for only $2.8M ? My bid is in!
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Old May 7, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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My '01 SVT Lightning had the same thing, the ECU would cutTQ between 1st & 2nd gear shift. In order to save the trans, 450lbs of TQ was a bit to much for that trans.
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Old May 7, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
Stock vs Stock, the Dodge Hemi Charger SRT-8 would have eaten any S197 GT for breakfast, or at least run a close race with a factory "freak".
I've seen a couple stock SRT-8 Chargers run low 13's stock. If they are running 14's they have a horrible driver or added weight.
I know someone with just a CAI they hit 12.9
Although it his a 40k car to start, 10k in the stang and I'd easily hit that.
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Old May 7, 2007 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FRITZ
My '01 SVT Lightning had the same thing, the ECU would cutTQ between 1st & 2nd gear shift. In order to save the trans, 450lbs of TQ was a bit to much for that trans.

Speaking of saving the tranny/drivetrain......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkg7z...related&search=
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Old May 7, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by theedge67
They were underrated, but there is no way that hemi or the ford were bone stock. They probably did make that much power, but not bone stock. Some "minor" modifications I'm sure, were done before the dyno. 800hp is nearly 2hp/cid! No way out of a stock motor on non-race gas! Not when manufacturers today are just cracking 1.5hp/cid with all the engine advances and technology.
Even Hot Rod magazine came out and admitted that most of the numbers they got for cars back in the late 60's were not real. It was very common for a dealer to shave a head or put in thinner head gaskets ect... and then hand them a "stock" car for thier testing.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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Funny because I know a guy who has a 400ci '70 Firebird... rated at 345 gross hp from that factory, and bone stock his put out a tick over 300hp to the rear wheels.

I've seen high-mileage, slushboxe-tranny Hemi cars do 350rwhp in stock form, too, when the net rating in '71 was only 350hp.

According to all the old car guys I hang out with, most old car motors were underrated signifigantly.
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Old May 9, 2007 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Faber
Yeah as a matter of fact I did. you telling me they were lying? do some research man. why are the top fuel dragsters using that hemi design then????
That show is full of crap.

Top fuel dragsters aren't even CLOSE to an old Hemi. They run INSANE amounts of boost, 500+ cubic inches, 1/4" larger valves, dual plug heads, nitromethane, fuel injection, they have zoomies, virtually NO drivetrain loss...

Not even close in design, aside from looking similar on the outside.

350hp stock 426ci N/A Hemi with 45 year-old tech =/= 7000hp race 500ci blown Hemi with brand-new tech
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