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Old May 2, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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Typically, yeah, but my supercharger project (including Nexus gauges, SOS A-pillar, installation, $350 custom dyno tune, etc.) cost me $2900. I got a good deal on eBay. My GT is at 402rwhp and has only cost me $30,290 so far.



I see what you're saying, though.
I'm jealous
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Old May 2, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bigray327
Typically, yeah, but my supercharger project (including Nexus gauges, SOS A-pillar, installation, $350 custom dyno tune, etc.) cost me $2900. I got a good deal on eBay. My GT is at 402rwhp and has only cost me $30,290 so far.



I see what you're saying, though.
good DEAL man!!

Yeah, I am just averaging and doing the numbers for the yardstick people (or the people who SHOULD be paying attention to the yardstick and aren't).


Hell the SRT8 review I read on Jalopnick, their test car stickered at $44K.......
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Old May 2, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Faber
the only real hemi was the 426 street hemi. it was no joke. it layed down over 800 horsepower and over 600 ft lbs of torque pretty much bone stock. the factory underrated its horsepower rating. I saw a show last week on them and it put out some serious power. these new hemis are a joke compared to it.

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Try 350hp at the wheels stock. Did you get that off of that Dyno Duel show that had on a while back?

The only thing even CLOSE to 800hp stock is the dual-quad 427 Cammer from Ford.

Tell me, if a stock 426 Hemi is good for 800hp, how come one of those in a '69 Charger is only good for high 13s?
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Old May 2, 2007 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Burke0011
Well it was an 'even' contest to begin with

stock Mustang GT - what 28K?.... 4.6 liter

Charger SRT 8 - 36K?.... 6.1 liter

Vortech kit and install for the Mustang - 6K?......
Pricing looks about even.


a STOCK GT and a STOCK SRT 8 - um YEAH - the Dodge BETTER ^#@@!% beat it considering it is an SRT division flagship car and 10K more in the price dept.......


NICE kill man - don't badge that stang - let 'em bite and then BURN 'em....
Absolutely!
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Old May 2, 2007 | 04:31 PM
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The stock Charger Police cars (basically the Dodge Hemi Charer R/T) is good for low 14s bone stock. It has the disadvantage of extra weight, but with some better rear gears (not the stock 2.82:1 gearset), it'll hold its own. However, in the end the Charger still isn't a Mustang.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 06:08 PM
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...excellent kill..... well told story.....

Bench race, spec race, specurace...I mean speculate... ...but in any street fight, its run whatcha brung...once you draw down, sometimes the car wins, sometimes the driver wins and sometimes its both...a kill is a kill is a win is all that matters....it was your day and just dam baby!...
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Old May 2, 2007 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Burke0011
good DEAL man!!

Yeah, I am just averaging and doing the numbers for the yardstick people (or the people who SHOULD be paying attention to the yardstick and aren't).


Hell the SRT8 review I read on Jalopnick, their test car stickered at $44K.......
Thats what a friend of mine paid last year for his
I think base SRT8 is 42K
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Old May 2, 2007 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapture
Thats what a friend of mine paid last year for his
I think base SRT8 is 42K
That is what I have seen them for on the local lot... I could do wonders on my stang for that much!
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Old May 2, 2007 | 08:11 PM
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Yeah, the SRT-8 is in the ballpark MSRP of the GT500... You think a stock srt-8 owner would mess with the snake?

Nice kill
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Old May 2, 2007 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Every_Mn
Try 350hp at the wheels stock. Did you get that off of that Dyno Duel show that had on a while back?

The only thing even CLOSE to 800hp stock is the dual-quad 427 Cammer from Ford.

Tell me, if a stock 426 Hemi is good for 800hp, how come one of those in a '69 Charger is only good for high 13s?
Yeah as a matter of fact I did. you telling me they were lying? do some research man. why are the top fuel dragsters using that hemi design then????
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Old May 2, 2007 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Faber
the only real hemi was the 426 street hemi. it was no joke. it layed down over 800 horsepower and over 600 ft lbs of torque pretty much bone stock. the factory underrated its horsepower rating. I saw a show last week on them and it put out some serious power. these new hemis are a joke compared to it.

NICE KILL!!!
I think I saw that same show but those were not "pretty much bone stock" they were "built" motors. No way a stock from the factory 426 HEMI put out 800 HP.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Faber
the only real hemi was the 426 street hemi. it was no joke. it layed down over 800 horsepower and over 600 ft lbs of torque
Ordinarily I'm not so bold, but I gotta call BS on a barely modded 426 making 800hp - unless of course the minimal mod was nitrous or some sort of supercharger. Had you said 500 to 600 I might beleive it.

The new hemi is certainly no joke, it can easily run with the Chevy LSx motors when sharing similar displacements.
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Old May 2, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Enfynet
Yeah, the SRT-8 is in the ballpark MSRP of the GT500... You think a stock srt-8 owner would mess with the snake?

Nice kill
I am WAITING desperately for the first SRT8 owner to cop an attitude with me when there is open road.......

Ahhh.... maybe this weekend..... (fingers crossed)
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Old May 3, 2007 | 06:17 AM
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Couple things about this thread:

Some of you guys need to realize, it doesnt friggin matter what the other driver has under his hood, if you race and you get beat, you get beat. Unless it is a prestaged race with agreements upon what you can or cannot do, it doesnt matter. So all that stock-for-stock stuff goes out the passenger window.

Second, go on over to www.chargerforums.com and look at some of the times of the SRT8 owners there (I lounge there every once in a while, good group of folks like over here). They are running almost the same times as we are, with a few slightly faster. All conditions identical, yes the SRT8 will get up on the GT, thats no question, but its not "blowing its doors off" at all. From a dig with good drivers, it will be close. On the highway from about 60, the ST8 will pull since its weight is less of a factor, and it has more power up top.

But a GT with a few intake/exhaust mods and a tune is right there or ahead of the SRT8. Dont even mention the R/T, its a 14 second car.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by SixtySix
You're forgetting something Metroplex... weight. SRT8's are actually pretty slow. I've raced 3 at the track and the best one I've seen could only muster a 13.8. Most ran in the low 14's. A stock GT has no problem keeping up at all.
I won't dispute what you have seen. However, to put you're opinion into perspective, you should know that SRT8's have run as good high 12's stock, but low 13's are a good average for them.

Stock GT's will not typically run with SRT8's, but a well driven GT might make it a relatively good race.

I own a Magnum SRT8 also. Reading some of the comments here it baffles me a little as to why some of you critisize it for it's price. In my particular case, I needed something large enough for my family, but I wanted the comforts and ammenities of the Denali we previousy had.

When you consider what a well appointed roomy V8 RWD 5 passenger family vehicle costs, the SRT8's suddenly look like a good value. Brembo brakes, F1's, Nav, all the toys, great seats, low 13 second performance, and room for my wife, two kids, and a weeks luggage = huge value IMO.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by SixtySix
Quit bench racing and get out to the track. I only talk about reality, and the reality is these cars can't get out of their own way with the weight, the craptacular tranny and highway gears they come with. The horsepower to weight ratio means diddly if they can't put it to the ground. That's where we have the advantage and I've SEEN it, not read about it, or hypothesized about it. Stock SRT8 + Stock GT is a pretty even race. We get out of the hole quick and the SRT8 spends it's entire time playing catch up.

BTW, the high 13's and low 14's I mention are what most stock automatic GT's here run as well. That's here at the 2 tracks I have available in the greater Phoenix area. I could care less what times are at other tracks, because it means nothing really.
All due respect my Magnum SRT8 ran times that were consistantly better than my GT when it was stock. On average they were anywhere from .3-.4 tenths better.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by exgto
I own a Magnum SRT8 also. Reading some of the comments here it baffles me a little as to why some of you critisize it for it's price. In my particular case, I needed something large enough for my family, but I wanted the comforts and ammenities of the Denali we previousy had.

When you consider what a well appointed roomy V8 RWD 5 passenger family vehicle costs, the SRT8's suddenly look like a good value.

I think its less of people saying it isn't a good value (which I think it is for what you get) - and more of people saying the two cars are in different price levels, so a flat out comparo isn't 'fair'
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Burke0011
I think its less of people saying it isn't a good value (which I think it is for what you get) - and more of people saying the two cars are in different price levels, so a flat out comparo isn't 'fair'
I certainly agree with that. They are apples and oranges, but are both very fun to drive.
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by exgto
I certainly agree with that. They are apples and oranges, but are both very fun to drive.
More like apples and watermelons.

j/k
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Hemi?

Ray, you're a local hero and a leader of men! Great kill!
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