More Quality Lapses
#101
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
I believe Galaxie summed it up nicely earlier in this thread when he said that a few hundred dollars more (at most) would have enabled Ford to fashion an interior that was finished and more competitive with world standards.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
That way, the Mustang would probably even attract buyers outside the traditional enthusiasts like ourselves, particularly now that more Mustangs are sitting on lots.
#102
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by runfox
Please forgive me but I just have to ask a question here that really drives me nuts. If the plastic in the Mustang is "cheap", what the heck is "expensive plastic"???
I mean I hear this term "cheap plastic" all the time. The Mustang doors and interior are cheap plastic, thier hard, their inferior, so on and so forth. I just dont get it. I may be niave, I havnt test driven many cars so I dont know what other manufacturers use in thier cars ok. But I dont remember ever riding in any car and looking at or touching the plastic and thinking, ooooo that real nice plastic, ooo it must be expensive!!! It's just PLASTIC!!! its all plastic, hard,soft, whatever!! Just about all cars have plastic somewhere in the inreior surfaces!!
I mean I hear this term "cheap plastic" all the time. The Mustang doors and interior are cheap plastic, thier hard, their inferior, so on and so forth. I just dont get it. I may be niave, I havnt test driven many cars so I dont know what other manufacturers use in thier cars ok. But I dont remember ever riding in any car and looking at or touching the plastic and thinking, ooooo that real nice plastic, ooo it must be expensive!!! It's just PLASTIC!!! its all plastic, hard,soft, whatever!! Just about all cars have plastic somewhere in the inreior surfaces!!
Originally Posted by runfox
I have heard some plastic is soft, oooo!!! Who the hech buys a car for soft plastic?
Originally Posted by runfox
WHo for that matter sits in their Mustang , runs thier hands along the doors or across the dash and says " aw man, thats some cheap, hard plastic"!!! WHo cares, its a door, its a dash , it works !!!
Originally Posted by runfox
I get in My MUstang, turn the key, listen to 300 ponies come to life, and smile to myself, and think," thank God Ford had the good sense to spend their development money on this jewel of an engine, to give me so much fun and excitement , for a price I can afford, with good gas milage on regular fuel!!!
Originally Posted by runfox
I cant think of any other car that can even come close, even if it has soft, expensive plastic!!!
#103
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by Vermillion06
I decided to see for myself. I went out to my '06 Mustang and stuck my camera down underneath the dash and took a picture:
now here is a picture of pedal area of a 350z:
here is a picture of a G35 :
Lastly,here's the pedal area of an RSX (with aftermarket pedal covers installed):
#104
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
If you don't like my comments, then why not exercise your god-given right to button your hole?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Actually, I own two cars. What does that have to do with anything?
I act like most discerning customers who want good value and quality for my hard earned money. Perhaps you're not savvy enough, or are too privileged to understand that concept.
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars?
Not sure if you're obsessive, or just need to get a life. Either way, each one of those pics makes my point for me: better quality carpets that are properly tacked down. You might also be interested to know that on the Mustang GT I looked at, the area above the carpet contained "grey fiber padding that looks like compressed dryer lint," as you call it. Not present in your photo. More inconsistency problems, I wonder?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Actually, I own two cars. What does that have to do with anything?
I act like most discerning customers who want good value and quality for my hard earned money. Perhaps you're not savvy enough, or are too privileged to understand that concept.
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars?
Not sure if you're obsessive, or just need to get a life. Either way, each one of those pics makes my point for me: better quality carpets that are properly tacked down. You might also be interested to know that on the Mustang GT I looked at, the area above the carpet contained "grey fiber padding that looks like compressed dryer lint," as you call it. Not present in your photo. More inconsistency problems, I wonder?
It seems like anytime someone discredits your argument you slam them. You knew what you were getting into when you started this discussion...an argument. And you continue to argue about topics that you know nothing about. You aren't an expert by any sense, and you apparently don't know anything about today's auto industry. So why would any of us take anything you have to say seriously?
So you continue to stir up arguments, knowing what kind of replies you will recieve....this makes you a troll. Most of us don't like to associate with trolls. So take a hike...and take your anti-American BS somewhere else.
#105
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
If you don't like my comments, then why not exercise your god-given right to button your hole?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
By the way, an entry from dictionary.com defines a troll as the following -
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll.
So, in conclusion, you are not a troll!
#106
BC_Shelby isn't attacking any one here, or one of us on our car choice. He is obviously just being critical and trying to show another perspective. Its not as if he's driving a lexus and talking down to anyone here, as he has stated many times he plans to buy a Mustang.
I understand where he's coming from, let me explain. Most of us here are hardcore mustang guys and will probably buy one as long as its rear wheel drive. There are a group of first time buyers who plan or want to buy the car based on its great looks, etc. What he is saying is that if you don't cut corners on the interior plastics, remote trunk release, and little things like that, you are able to get more conquest sales and increase the overall desireablility of the car to the masses.
Part of having really good interior plastics and a carpet that will look good 10 years from now affects another part of the market that OEM's don't seem to look at, the used car market. Usually someone's first car is a used one off a lot somewhere. A car that still has good looking seats, carpet, plastics, etc after 10 years will command a higher price, and in my mind increase the likelyhood of them buying another. This is just my logic, unfortunatley I don't have any metrics to back it up. Just food for thought though, compare prices of a 1996 Civic vs. a 1996 Cavalier. I wonder how many Civic drivers bought another honda vs how many Cavalier drivers bought another GM. (Its just a comparison to make you think)
Thanks guys for the most part on keeping it a civil discussion (mostly), please just take the mindset that we are sitting down and discussing this over a few beers, and at the end of it we'll all shake hands and agree to disagree if necessary. That's the attitude I take on the boards all the time and its worked out for the most part.
I understand where he's coming from, let me explain. Most of us here are hardcore mustang guys and will probably buy one as long as its rear wheel drive. There are a group of first time buyers who plan or want to buy the car based on its great looks, etc. What he is saying is that if you don't cut corners on the interior plastics, remote trunk release, and little things like that, you are able to get more conquest sales and increase the overall desireablility of the car to the masses.
Part of having really good interior plastics and a carpet that will look good 10 years from now affects another part of the market that OEM's don't seem to look at, the used car market. Usually someone's first car is a used one off a lot somewhere. A car that still has good looking seats, carpet, plastics, etc after 10 years will command a higher price, and in my mind increase the likelyhood of them buying another. This is just my logic, unfortunatley I don't have any metrics to back it up. Just food for thought though, compare prices of a 1996 Civic vs. a 1996 Cavalier. I wonder how many Civic drivers bought another honda vs how many Cavalier drivers bought another GM. (Its just a comparison to make you think)
Thanks guys for the most part on keeping it a civil discussion (mostly), please just take the mindset that we are sitting down and discussing this over a few beers, and at the end of it we'll all shake hands and agree to disagree if necessary. That's the attitude I take on the boards all the time and its worked out for the most part.
#107
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by Galaxie
BC_Shelby isn't attacking any one here, or one of us on our car choice. He is obviously just being critical and trying to show another perspective. Its not as if he's driving a lexus and talking down to anyone here, as he has stated many times he plans to buy a Mustang.
Originally Posted by Galaxie
I understand where he's coming from, let me explain. Most of us here are hardcore mustang guys and will probably buy one as long as its rear wheel drive. There are a group of first time buyers who plan or want to buy the car based on its great looks, etc. What he is saying is that if you don't cut corners on the interior plastics, remote trunk release, and little things like that, you are able to get more conquest sales and increase the overall desireablility of the car to the masses.
Originally Posted by Galaxie
Part of having really good interior plastics and a carpet that will look good 10 years from now affects another part of the market that OEM's don't seem to look at, the used car market. Usually someone's first car is a used one off a lot somewhere. A car that still has good looking seats, carpet, plastics, etc after 10 years will command a higher price, and in my mind increase the likelyhood of them buying another. This is just my logic, unfortunatley I don't have any metrics to back it up. Just food for thought though, compare prices of a 1996 Civic vs. a 1996 Cavalier. I wonder how many Civic drivers bought another honda vs how many Cavalier drivers bought another GM. (Its just a comparison to make you think)
Originally Posted by Galaxie
Thanks guys for the most part on keeping it a civil discussion (mostly), please just take the mindset that we are sitting down and discussing this over a few beers, and at the end of it we'll all shake hands and agree to disagree if necessary. That's the attitude I take on the boards all the time and its worked out for the most part.
#108
Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
I don't think you are a troll. I like reading the observations you've made in your time posting on the forums. Some of the remarks you make (like above) create an impression. Obviously, you are responding in that manner because of what Vermillion06 posted. I am sure you realize that when the language gets combative, the insults fly.
By the way, an entry from dictionary.com defines a troll as the following -
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll.
So, in conclusion, you are not a troll!
By the way, an entry from dictionary.com defines a troll as the following -
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll.
So, in conclusion, you are not a troll!
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames;"
Isn't that what I just said? "So you continue to stir up arguments, knowing what kind of replies you will recieve....this makes you a troll."
#109
Legacy TMS Member
Originally Posted by tech
"By the way, an entry from dictionary.com defines a troll as the following -
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames;"
Isn't that what I just said? "So you continue to stir up arguments, knowing what kind of replies you will recieve....this makes you a troll."
v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames;"
Isn't that what I just said? "So you continue to stir up arguments, knowing what kind of replies you will recieve....this makes you a troll."
The insults and sarcastic comments are what diminish discussions on points like this. Hopefully, people will refrain from that from here forward. I would hate to see this get closed.
#110
Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
I was refering to the other part.
The insults and sarcastic comments are what diminish discussions on points like this. Hopefully, people will refrain from that from here forward. I would hate to see this get closed.
The insults and sarcastic comments are what diminish discussions on points like this. Hopefully, people will refrain from that from here forward. I would hate to see this get closed.
#112
im out of popcorn can someone passsome more this way? wait nevermind. got some more
Well here is my experience. my family has owned fords and chevys as long as i can remember with a lincoln and a mercury thrown in for good measure. for my father he has owned the following:
1. Lincoln Continental - i dont know the year but it had 227k miles on it when we got rid of it
2. Sable - dont really remember this car other than it being tan and a god awful looknig wagon, but hey those were the times
3. 91 Thunderbird 5.0L HO - 108k miles with no repalcement parts other than the usual maitenence like brakes oil and such. then she died by the hands of a drunk driver.
4. 94 Ford Explorer - 112k miles and traded in for a bigger truck in 99. other than an oil leak, car ran perfectly and had no failures.
5. 99 Expedition - still in use at 185K miles and going strong. has had brakes repalced only 2 or 3 times, regular maitenence, and the instrument cluster, when extremely hot turns off but its rare and still records milage. Darn!
6. 80 corvette - only 26k miles, was in a flood and father bought and restored entire interior. car runs perfect. jsut needs front brakes repalced.
Me
1. that 91 Tbird from above was mine when it got destroyed
2. 94 Thunderbird - Still in use today has jsut over 200k miles on it. Tranny was rebuilt at 100k by original owner for no other reason apparently that he thought it should be overhauled at 100k miles. only major problem was a freezeout plug. caused the car not to hold any coolant. we replaced head gasket first thinking that was it however it turned out to be that freeze out plug that cost 78 cents. she needs new control arms now but other than that shes running as good as when i got her at 120k miels 6 years ago.
3. 05 Mustang - just hit 20k miles on her and not one single engine problem. had the gas tank and strut popping probls but little things like that are to be expected on a new car, especially the first body change since forever.
Brother
1. 97 Camaro v6- sold at 145k miles. no problems at all.
2. 99 Camaro z28 - still in use today but was involved in an accident that crushed front bumber, rear bumper and rear quarter panel on left side. all cosmetic damage. car runs and pulls as hard as ever. no problems to date.
3. 99 pontiac firebird formula - jsut got the car so i cant report on it yet.
Misc
1.Uncles 92 ford escort hit 256k miles before he junked it
2.my aunt has a 99 escort zx2 with only 8k miles on it runs great.
3.uncles honda accord(97?) has 90k miles and has oil leaks, burns oil, has had tranny issues and had been in for quite a few service problems
4.cousins accord(98) has had multiple starter problems, been repalced at least 4 times, holes in exhaust, oil leaks, burns oil and all at only 60k or so
This is just my family experience and is no way the same for everyone in the world but this has swayed me from anything but domestic cars. its funny how my unlce after all the problems and servise issues he has had still wants imports.
Well here is my experience. my family has owned fords and chevys as long as i can remember with a lincoln and a mercury thrown in for good measure. for my father he has owned the following:
1. Lincoln Continental - i dont know the year but it had 227k miles on it when we got rid of it
2. Sable - dont really remember this car other than it being tan and a god awful looknig wagon, but hey those were the times
3. 91 Thunderbird 5.0L HO - 108k miles with no repalcement parts other than the usual maitenence like brakes oil and such. then she died by the hands of a drunk driver.
4. 94 Ford Explorer - 112k miles and traded in for a bigger truck in 99. other than an oil leak, car ran perfectly and had no failures.
5. 99 Expedition - still in use at 185K miles and going strong. has had brakes repalced only 2 or 3 times, regular maitenence, and the instrument cluster, when extremely hot turns off but its rare and still records milage. Darn!
6. 80 corvette - only 26k miles, was in a flood and father bought and restored entire interior. car runs perfect. jsut needs front brakes repalced.
Me
1. that 91 Tbird from above was mine when it got destroyed
2. 94 Thunderbird - Still in use today has jsut over 200k miles on it. Tranny was rebuilt at 100k by original owner for no other reason apparently that he thought it should be overhauled at 100k miles. only major problem was a freezeout plug. caused the car not to hold any coolant. we replaced head gasket first thinking that was it however it turned out to be that freeze out plug that cost 78 cents. she needs new control arms now but other than that shes running as good as when i got her at 120k miels 6 years ago.
3. 05 Mustang - just hit 20k miles on her and not one single engine problem. had the gas tank and strut popping probls but little things like that are to be expected on a new car, especially the first body change since forever.
Brother
1. 97 Camaro v6- sold at 145k miles. no problems at all.
2. 99 Camaro z28 - still in use today but was involved in an accident that crushed front bumber, rear bumper and rear quarter panel on left side. all cosmetic damage. car runs and pulls as hard as ever. no problems to date.
3. 99 pontiac firebird formula - jsut got the car so i cant report on it yet.
Misc
1.Uncles 92 ford escort hit 256k miles before he junked it
2.my aunt has a 99 escort zx2 with only 8k miles on it runs great.
3.uncles honda accord(97?) has 90k miles and has oil leaks, burns oil, has had tranny issues and had been in for quite a few service problems
4.cousins accord(98) has had multiple starter problems, been repalced at least 4 times, holes in exhaust, oil leaks, burns oil and all at only 60k or so
This is just my family experience and is no way the same for everyone in the world but this has swayed me from anything but domestic cars. its funny how my unlce after all the problems and servise issues he has had still wants imports.
#113
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
If you don't like my comments, then why not exercise your god-given right to button your hole?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Actually, I own two cars. What does that have to do with anything?
I act like most discerning customers who want good value and quality for my hard earned money. Perhaps you're not savvy enough, or are too privileged to understand that concept.
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars?
Not sure if you're obsessive, or just need to get a life. Either way, each one of those pics makes my point for me: better quality carpets that are properly tacked down. You might also be interested to know that on the Mustang GT I looked at, the area above the carpet contained "grey fiber padding that looks like compressed dryer lint," as you call it. Not present in your photo. More inconsistency problems, I wonder?
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Actually, I own two cars. What does that have to do with anything?
I act like most discerning customers who want good value and quality for my hard earned money. Perhaps you're not savvy enough, or are too privileged to understand that concept.
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars?
Not sure if you're obsessive, or just need to get a life. Either way, each one of those pics makes my point for me: better quality carpets that are properly tacked down. You might also be interested to know that on the Mustang GT I looked at, the area above the carpet contained "grey fiber padding that looks like compressed dryer lint," as you call it. Not present in your photo. More inconsistency problems, I wonder?
BC_Shelby,
Vermillion06 totally distroys your original argument about the Mustang carpet with the photos he posted, and he actually is comparing the Mustang carpet with expensive cars. Just admit....
I just wonder, you mentioned that you are planning to buy Mustang. How you can buy this car if you think Ford only did a half-way job on this car (see your very first post). Are you planning to pay the full price for the half way?
Very nice investigation Vermillion06. Thanks for the info.
#115
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars?
You HAVE to be kidding me. You use something as evidence to make a point - he takes time time to provide evidence to refute your point - and your response is for him to 'get a life?'
How incredibly lame.....
#116
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
If you don't like my comments, then why not exercise your god-given right to button your hole?
Let's recap:
You started this thread by saying:
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Anybody with a GT, look up under the dash behind the pedals. Near as I could see, Ford couldn't be bothered to carpet the floor all the way up (you can see insulation), and worse yet, didn't properly tack or bolt the carpet down.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
...but this is just plain sad. I've never see anything like this on any car before. Not to mention looking like crap, what happens when that whole thing gets dirty, and you find yourself having to vacuum insulation instead of carpet (??) or the carpet catches into your shoes or somehow gets caught up into the pedal mechanisms...?
Your argument that Ford screwed up on quality again in regards to the carpet in the pedal area is totally DESTROYED. I have provided REAL PROOF.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
So now you speak for everyone?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Snap Poll: How many people actually think I'm a troll?
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Unfortunately, as you can see from all the posts here, one cannot criticize any of the car's serious shortcomings without being flamed or accused of being a troll.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Actually, I own two cars. What does that have to do with anything?
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
I act like most discerning customers who want good value and quality for my hard earned money. Perhaps you're not savvy enough, or are too privileged to understand that concept.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Lemmie get this straight, you actually went out with a camera to different dealers just to photograph all those cars? Not sure if you're obsessive, or just need to get a life.
I guess I was just supposed to blindly accept what the "all-knowing auto industry expert" BC_Shelby said without question, because "everybody" knows Ford and the domestics have poor quality, while the imports are perfect, right? WRONG
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
Either way, each one of those pics makes my point for me: better quality carpets that are properly tacked down.
No, they don't. But nice try in trying to twist this around to support your failing argument, but you lose. The photos I posted show the 350Z, G35, and RSX all have carpet that ends under the pedals just like the Mustang. The G35's carpet goes up higher on the LEFT SIDE ONLY. All have some firewall insulation showing. The G35 even has exposed sheetmetal and bolt heads in the pedal area, while the RSX has carpet that looks like the upper edge was trimmed by a four year old with dull scissors. None of them seem to have any fasteners attaching the carpet to the car.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
You might also be interested to know that on the Mustang GT I looked at, the area above the carpet contained "grey fiber padding that looks like compressed dryer lint," as you call it. Not present in your photo. More inconsistency problems, I wonder?
#117
Originally Posted by Tony Alonso
I don't think you are a troll. I like reading the observations you've made in your time posting on the forums. Some of the remarks you make (like above) create an impression. Obviously, you are responding in that manner because of what Vermillion06 posted. I am sure you realize that when the language gets combative, the insults fly.
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Originally Posted by Vermillion06
If you just want to nitpick and find every single little fault you can on a new Mustang, why do you come to a Mustang enthuiast site and whine?The last time I checked this was not the "He-Man Mustang Haters Forum"...
Let's recap:
You started this thread by saying:
AND
So I took 5 minutes with my digital camera to take a picture of my own 2006 Mustang GT's pedal area and posted the picture here. I took fifteen minutes and found some photos of the pedal areas of a Nissan 350Z, Infiniti G35, and Acura RSX using Google. I posted them as well. These photos show that even more expensive import performance-oriented cars than the Mustang have the carpet finished in the pedal area the same way as the Mustang.
Your argument that Ford screwed up on quality again in regards to the carpet in the pedal area is totally DESTROYED. I have provided REAL PROOF.
That's funny, you seem to try speak for everyone all the time, but its okay for you? Why is that? No, I was not trying to speak for everyone, I was referring to when YOU said:
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I was asking what gave you the right to act so condescending to me and others who have opinions who don't agree with yours. I was wondering if you are some sort of auto industry analyst, or an auto company exec who really had the knowledge of the auto industry. But it turns out you don't know anymore about the auto industry or automobiles than I or the others here do.(You probably know even less...) So get off you high horse!
And again, why is it YOU think YOU can speak for everyone?
Oh, so if I take about 30 minutes total, to find out for myself if your half-baked rants are true by doing a little research and then posting it here for all to see, I'm crazy and obsessive? I'm not the one that started this stupid topic without even finding out that Ford does the same thing that Nissan and Honda(Acura) do with the carpet in their performance-oriented cars!
I guess I was just supposed to blindly accept what the "all-knowing auto industry expert" BC_Shelby said without question, because "everybody" knows Ford and the domestics have poor quality, while the imports are perfect, right? WRONG
No, they don't. But nice try in trying to twist this around to support your failing argument, but you lose. The photos I posted show the 350Z, G35, and RSX all have carpet that ends under the pedals just like the Mustang. The G35's carpet goes up higher on the LEFT SIDE ONLY. All have some firewall insulation showing. The G35 even has exposed sheetmetal and bolt heads in the pedal area, while the RSX has carpet that looks like the upper edge was trimmed by a four year old with dull scissors. None of them seem to have any fasteners attaching the carpet to the car.
Are you even sure that you were looking at Mustang? All I know is that the 2006 Mustang I own looks like the photo I took of it.
Let's recap:
You started this thread by saying:
AND
So I took 5 minutes with my digital camera to take a picture of my own 2006 Mustang GT's pedal area and posted the picture here. I took fifteen minutes and found some photos of the pedal areas of a Nissan 350Z, Infiniti G35, and Acura RSX using Google. I posted them as well. These photos show that even more expensive import performance-oriented cars than the Mustang have the carpet finished in the pedal area the same way as the Mustang.
Your argument that Ford screwed up on quality again in regards to the carpet in the pedal area is totally DESTROYED. I have provided REAL PROOF.
That's funny, you seem to try speak for everyone all the time, but its okay for you? Why is that? No, I was not trying to speak for everyone, I was referring to when YOU said:
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I was asking what gave you the right to act so condescending to me and others who have opinions who don't agree with yours. I was wondering if you are some sort of auto industry analyst, or an auto company exec who really had the knowledge of the auto industry. But it turns out you don't know anymore about the auto industry or automobiles than I or the others here do.(You probably know even less...) So get off you high horse!
And again, why is it YOU think YOU can speak for everyone?
Oh, so if I take about 30 minutes total, to find out for myself if your half-baked rants are true by doing a little research and then posting it here for all to see, I'm crazy and obsessive? I'm not the one that started this stupid topic without even finding out that Ford does the same thing that Nissan and Honda(Acura) do with the carpet in their performance-oriented cars!
I guess I was just supposed to blindly accept what the "all-knowing auto industry expert" BC_Shelby said without question, because "everybody" knows Ford and the domestics have poor quality, while the imports are perfect, right? WRONG
No, they don't. But nice try in trying to twist this around to support your failing argument, but you lose. The photos I posted show the 350Z, G35, and RSX all have carpet that ends under the pedals just like the Mustang. The G35's carpet goes up higher on the LEFT SIDE ONLY. All have some firewall insulation showing. The G35 even has exposed sheetmetal and bolt heads in the pedal area, while the RSX has carpet that looks like the upper edge was trimmed by a four year old with dull scissors. None of them seem to have any fasteners attaching the carpet to the car.
Are you even sure that you were looking at Mustang? All I know is that the 2006 Mustang I own looks like the photo I took of it.
The more you post, the more you demonstrate a lack of maturity, or a need to enroll in an anger management seminar.
As Galaxie said, try to pull it together and refrain from the personal attacks.
#119
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
This was a thread about quantifiable quality lapses in the Mustang, which I have elucidated thoroughly. You choose not to agree? Fine. But your picture evidence hardly supports your argument, particularly when I look at the images closely.
The more you post, the more you demonstrate a lack of maturity, or a need to enroll in an anger management seminar.
As Galaxie said, try to pull it together and refrain from the personal attacks.
The more you post, the more you demonstrate a lack of maturity, or a need to enroll in an anger management seminar.
As Galaxie said, try to pull it together and refrain from the personal attacks.
Until we had Vermillion06's pictures may be (maaaaay be) you had a point. But now, sorry dude, YOU LOST IT, get over itā¦
#120
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
This was a thread about quantifiable quality lapses in the Mustang, which I have elucidated thoroughly.
Ford finishes the carpet in the pedal area the same way that Nissan does in the 350z and G35, and Honda does in the RSX. I provided pictures showing this. If this is a sign of a "quality lapse" then Nissan and Honda's quality is lapsing too.
I did not make this up out of thin air.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
You choose not to agree? Fine. But your picture evidence hardly supports your argument, particularly when I look at the images closely.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
...or a need to enroll in an anger management seminar.
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
The more you post, the more you demonstrate a lack of maturity,
Originally Posted by BC_Shelby
As Galaxie said, try to pull it together and refrain from the personal attacks.