Has anyone tried NitroFill in their tires ?
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red pony, you keep asking questions you think will bolster your position, but when the answers overwhelmingly disprove your position, you just ignore them. Your closed minded one-sided involvement in this conversation is simply disingenuous. 
You REFUSE to accept copious information and test data that out right prove nitrogen's performance in street car tires offers near ZERO benefit, REALLY WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE TO YOU???
Back to the nitrogen, You pretending you might actually be swayed by the answers you keep asking for is simply disingenuous. Have you no common sense? Your illogical and unsubstantiated position in support of paying good money to fill street car tires with nitrogen is absurd.
You have shown you are not really honestly looking for proof of nitrogen’s actual leak performance compared to compressed air or how it may or may not affect tire or car performance.
You are so convinced your position is right, it simply doesn’t matter to you what the facts are. You refuse to be swayed by reason. I imagine your stubbornness could be admirable if it weren’t so absurd.
I ignored this objection the first time you posted it because it is obvious you don't know what a test protocol is, or understand how serious testing should be conducted for something like gas permeation rate of automobile tires.
To start with, any single particular tire is insignificant and no matter what the results were they would be meaningless. No reasonable test protocol would ever just keep retesting the same tire over with different gas. No one would seriously conduct a gas permeation rate test on a single tire it would be totally worthless.
I guarantee Consumer Reports test protocol are fine, and I'm sure better than yours. There is NOTHING wrong with their test and it is not “skewed”.
To answer your question, No, They were following a test protocol.
red pony; You professing a great family and multi-decades personal history of car auto body shop experience should know better than most about removing moisture from compressed air, since it is vastly more important when painting a car than it is in street car tire inflation.
To each his own? Everyone has a right to an opinion, like which color you like best, but you seem to have facts confused with opinions. The FACT is paying money to put nitrogen in your street car tires instead of free compressed air offers ZERO real benefit.
THAT IS A SIMPLE FACT! IT HAS BEEN PROVEN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TO EACH HIS OWN. The FACT is paying money to put nitrogen in your street car tires instead of free compressed air offers ZERO actual benefit. There are no benefits, it is not a matter of opinion.
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
TIRE SAFETY Everything Rides On It
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/.../brochure.html
The key is “inflation pressure maintenance” not some BS nitrogen inflation scam.
You REFUSE to accept copious information and test data that out right prove nitrogen's performance in street car tires offers near ZERO benefit, REALLY WHAT DIFFERENCE WOULD IT MAKE TO YOU???
BTW, Nope~! I would NOT.
Back to the nitrogen, You pretending you might actually be swayed by the answers you keep asking for is simply disingenuous. Have you no common sense? Your illogical and unsubstantiated position in support of paying good money to fill street car tires with nitrogen is absurd.
You have shown you are not really honestly looking for proof of nitrogen’s actual leak performance compared to compressed air or how it may or may not affect tire or car performance.
You are so convinced your position is right, it simply doesn’t matter to you what the facts are. You refuse to be swayed by reason. I imagine your stubbornness could be admirable if it weren’t so absurd.
I ignored this objection the first time you posted it because it is obvious you don't know what a test protocol is, or understand how serious testing should be conducted for something like gas permeation rate of automobile tires.
To start with, any single particular tire is insignificant and no matter what the results were they would be meaningless. No reasonable test protocol would ever just keep retesting the same tire over with different gas. No one would seriously conduct a gas permeation rate test on a single tire it would be totally worthless.
I guarantee Consumer Reports test protocol are fine, and I'm sure better than yours. There is NOTHING wrong with their test and it is not “skewed”.
To answer your question, No, They were following a test protocol.
Joseph-Louis Gay-Lussac (1778-1850) excerpts from The Expansion of Gases by Heat The law of expansion of gases and vapors From his first major program of research in 1801–1802, Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac concluded that equal volumes of all gases expand equally with the same increase in temperature: Usually called "Charles's law" in honor of Jacques Charles.
The experiments which I have now reported and which have all been made with great care prove incontestably that atmospheric air and the gases oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, nitrous oxide, ammonia, muriatic acid, sulphurous acid and carbonic acid all have the same expansion between the same degrees of heat; and thus consequently their greater or less density at the same pressure and temperature, their greater or less solubility in water, and their particular character have no influence on their expansion. On this basis I conclude that all gases in general expand equally between the same degrees of heat provided that they are all brought under the same conditions.
Nitrogen Tire Inflation vs. Temperature Change
There is no significant difference in expansion and contraction characteristics of nitrogen compared to air when moisture is absent. Expansion or contraction of either gas, in relation to temperature change, occurs to a similar extent over the commonly encountered pressure and temperature ranges releveant to the discussion of tire inflation. There is no practical difference as long as the gases are dry in a fixed volume container such as a tire.
The pressure in nitrogen filled tires will change when the temperature changes, just as it does with compressed air filled tires because nitrogen responds to changes in ambient temperature in a similar manner. For example, when your vehicle is parked, it will lose 1.9% of its pressure for every 10F change in temperature. These calculations are based on the ideal gas law. If a tire is filled to 32 psig at a temperature of 75F, and the outdoor temperature is 35F, the tire pressure will drop to 29 psig. These fluctuations will occur as the temperature rises and falls, regardless of the inflation gas. Fortunately, tire manufacturers are readily aware of these parameters and set their cold inflation pressures accordingly.
So, the bottom line is that you will still see pressure changes with nitrogen. But they should be more consistent and run cooler than if they were filled with “WET” compressed air.
Hint Hint “water separator”
Dear Tom and Ray:
I heard a story on my local NPR station about a place in Houston where car owners can have the air in their tires replaced with nitrogen at a cost of $100. This service is advertised as a fuel economy enhancement because nitrogen diffuses through the tire at a slower rate than air, and so the tires stay at the proper pressure longer. Is this a scam, or what? -- Mark
Ray: Yes. And a very clever one at that. In fact, my brother's on the phone right now seeing if we can get the local nitrogen-transfusion franchise around here.
Tom: Their claim that nitrogen keeps your tire pressure more constant is actually correct. But their reasoning is wacko. It has nothing to do with diffusion of air through the rubber.
Ray: The reason nitrogen pressure stays more constant than air pressure is because air contains water vapor, and so it expands less predictably than nitrogen. There's a different percentage of water vapor in the air on any given day (a k a the humidity), so you never know exactly how much tire expansion you'll get from the water vapor.
Hint Hint “water separator”
Tom:It's not enough expansion for you or me to notice , but some race-car drivers notice it. Formula One (i.e., Indy 500) racers use nitrogen in their tires because when you're traveling around an oval track at 200 mph, you want your tire pressure to be entirely predictable. They even "stagger" the tire pressure on those cars, making the outside tires a little fuller than the inside tires to keep the car turning inward. And at those speeds, an eighth of an inch in tire height can make a huge difference.
Ray: But for you and me (and everyone else reading this column today), Mark, it makes absolutely no difference at all. And it's simply not worth it (unless, of course, you can steal the nitrogen from work!).
Tom:Seriously, you can keep your tire pressure constant enough for street and highway driving by simply checking it periodically.
red pony if you are seriously really concerned enough about it to waste money on a solution, just drop $10 on a compressed air system water separator.red pony; You professing a great family and multi-decades personal history of car auto body shop experience should know better than most about removing moisture from compressed air, since it is vastly more important when painting a car than it is in street car tire inflation.
SG Tool Aid (99000) In Line Water Separator and Air Filter $10.79
Removes water and foreign particles from compressed air stream
Air Oil & Water Separator $7.99
Air oil & water separator
Yes you are looking at it wrong. Yes we did, over and over and over again, But you simply will NOT let facts or the truth get in your way no matter how obvious it is...To each his own? Everyone has a right to an opinion, like which color you like best, but you seem to have facts confused with opinions. The FACT is paying money to put nitrogen in your street car tires instead of free compressed air offers ZERO real benefit.
THAT IS A SIMPLE FACT! IT HAS BEEN PROVEN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TO EACH HIS OWN. The FACT is paying money to put nitrogen in your street car tires instead of free compressed air offers ZERO actual benefit. There are no benefits, it is not a matter of opinion.
National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
TIRE SAFETY Everything Rides On It
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/.../brochure.html
The key is “inflation pressure maintenance” not some BS nitrogen inflation scam.
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You're right about the fact that Jay's endorsement could carry weight for the average Joe. They key to critical thinking is to 'follow the money', in this case, he is being paid to endorse the product. As such, he is sticking to the script he was given, with respect to the stated "benefits" of Nitrofill. So, going back to someone's point about Nitrofill's claims, (I think it was Black GT500, I don't have the time to look for it) when they claim 4-10% reduction in gas consumption, I want to know what assumptions they made to come up with that number.
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It is about **** time!
After 161 posts, plenty of personal attacks and name calling on your part, suddenly you now realize what a scam paying to put nitrogen in your street car tires really is, and this is it?
I’m quite certain I missed your post where you admitted you were incorrect or apologized about arguing the benefits of nitrogen in street car tires. I do see where you apologized about not reading the Consumer Reports data properly, but that is not the same as conceding the debate.
Here is the rub, I really don’t care that you put nitrogen in your tires, or why, it really will not hurt anything other than your wallet. My problem is that you came in here PROMOTING NitroFill like it was the second coming of Christ, mounting personal attacks, calling names and ignoring physics and common sense trying to sell the benefits of paying for nitrogen in your street car tires to anyone who might read your posts. When called on it, you and your brother in arms classix_stang289 just tucked your chins, closed your minds and charged forward, like bulls in a china shop.
Again, any advantage that might actual provide is so small as to be totally insignificant. I have a set of 25+ year old Centerline aluminum wheels and BF Goodrich Radial TA tires I bought NEW in the mid 80’s they have been mounted on one of my cars or another since they were purchased new. They have always been filled with plain old air, mounted on a car and sitting outside in the sun, air, snow, wind and rain. They still hold air and neither the wheels nor tires have significantly corroded from “oxidization” anywhere near enough to effect their function, period! Why would any normal person concern their self about such a non-issue??? WHY?
Photo of one of my 4 25+ year old air filled tires, that are still serviceable LONG after the end of their normal service life.
Hello! This has been my and nearly everyone but 3 or 4 posters to this threads point all along! Most of us understood this even without Consumer Reports data. Not only does the minimal 3 psi per year pressure loss NOT warrant nitrogen, but none of the other "FALSE" benefits do either.
So was my reply. My comments were about Jay Leno’s film about his new Corvette ZR1. His comments and details are less than accurate on at least 3 occasions in this short narrative. I am actually surprised by his lack of car knowledge, but I am thoroughly disappointed in his lack of attention to detail. If he is going to publish narrative films to the internet, it would behoove him to pay someone to check his facts. The guy makes millions of dollars being funny, and buys lots of cars with it, what makes you think he is so “knowledgeable” about cars?
The film can be viewed here:
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=867761
The thread talking about it is here:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...46#post5704346
red pony, I am glad you now understand how silly it is to pay to put nitrogen in your tires.
I’m quite certain I missed your post where you admitted you were incorrect or apologized about arguing the benefits of nitrogen in street car tires. I do see where you apologized about not reading the Consumer Reports data properly, but that is not the same as conceding the debate.
Sure I'm a hard headed person, but show me enough facts, and I'll apologize to you for my incorrect asumptions. I've made mistakes in judement before! Nobody is perfect, and I hope you don't judge me for a stand based on a flaw in my reasoning.
I appologize ! You are right ,I was looking at it wrong! They advertize less pressure loss but over a year which is true, but according to these findings it is minimal over a year! Thanks for that info! But what if the automakers do resort to use this? For what reasons would they do this? I did hear from a reliable source this could happen!
Here is the rub, I really don’t care that you put nitrogen in your tires, or why, it really will not hurt anything other than your wallet. My problem is that you came in here PROMOTING NitroFill like it was the second coming of Christ, mounting personal attacks, calling names and ignoring physics and common sense trying to sell the benefits of paying for nitrogen in your street car tires to anyone who might read your posts. When called on it, you and your brother in arms classix_stang289 just tucked your chins, closed your minds and charged forward, like bulls in a china shop.
Again, any advantage that might actual provide is so small as to be totally insignificant. I have a set of 25+ year old Centerline aluminum wheels and BF Goodrich Radial TA tires I bought NEW in the mid 80’s they have been mounted on one of my cars or another since they were purchased new. They have always been filled with plain old air, mounted on a car and sitting outside in the sun, air, snow, wind and rain. They still hold air and neither the wheels nor tires have significantly corroded from “oxidization” anywhere near enough to effect their function, period! Why would any normal person concern their self about such a non-issue??? WHY?
Hello! This has been my and nearly everyone but 3 or 4 posters to this threads point all along! Most of us understood this even without Consumer Reports data. Not only does the minimal 3 psi per year pressure loss NOT warrant nitrogen, but none of the other "FALSE" benefits do either.
So was my reply. My comments were about Jay Leno’s film about his new Corvette ZR1. His comments and details are less than accurate on at least 3 occasions in this short narrative. I am actually surprised by his lack of car knowledge, but I am thoroughly disappointed in his lack of attention to detail. If he is going to publish narrative films to the internet, it would behoove him to pay someone to check his facts. The guy makes millions of dollars being funny, and buys lots of cars with it, what makes you think he is so “knowledgeable” about cars?
The film can be viewed here:
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=867761
The thread talking about it is here:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...46#post5704346
red pony, I am glad you now understand how silly it is to pay to put nitrogen in your tires.
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After 161 posts, plenty of personal attacks and name calling on your part, suddenly you now realize what a scam paying to put nitrogen in your street car tires really is, and this is it?
I’m quite certain I missed your post where you admitted you were incorrect or apologized about arguing the benefits of nitrogen in street car tires. I do see where you apologized about not reading the Consumer Reports data properly, but that is not the same as conceding the debate.
Here is the rub, I really don’t care that you put nitrogen in your tires, or why, it really will not hurt anything other than your wallet. My problem is that you came in here PROMOTING NitroFill like it was the second coming of Christ, mounting personal attacks, calling names and ignoring physics and common sense trying to sell the benefits of paying for nitrogen in your street car tires to anyone who might read your posts. When called on it, you and your brother in arms classix_stang289 just tucked your chins, closed your minds and charged forward, like bulls in a china shop.
Again, any advantage that might actual provide is so small as to be totally insignificant. I have a set of 25+ year old Centerline aluminum wheels and BF Goodrich Radial TA tires I bought NEW in the mid 80’s they have been mounted on one of my cars or another since they were purchased new. They have always been filled with plain old air, mounted on a car and sitting outside in the sun, air, snow, wind and rain. They still hold air and neither the wheels nor tires have significantly corroded from “oxidization” anywhere near enough to effect their function, period! Why would any normal person concern their self about such a non-issue??? WHY?
Photo of one of my 4 25+ year old air filled tires, that are still serviceable LONG after the end of their normal service life.
Hello! This has been my and nearly everyone but 3 or 4 posters to this threads point all along! Most of us understood this even without Consumer Reports data. Not only does the minimal 3 psi per year pressure loss NOT warrant nitrogen, but none of the other "FALSE" benefits do either.
So was my reply. My comments were about Jay Leno’s film about his new Corvette ZR1. His comments and details are less than accurate on at least 3 occasions in this short narrative. I am actually surprised by his lack of car knowledge, but I am thoroughly disappointed in his lack of attention to detail. If he is going to publish narrative films to the internet, it would behoove him to pay someone to check his facts. The guy makes millions of dollars being funny, and buys lots of cars with it, what makes you think he is so “knowledgeable” about cars?
The film can be viewed here:
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=867761
The thread talking about it is here:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...46#post5704346
red pony, I am glad you now understand how silly it is to pay to put nitrogen in your tires.
I’m quite certain I missed your post where you admitted you were incorrect or apologized about arguing the benefits of nitrogen in street car tires. I do see where you apologized about not reading the Consumer Reports data properly, but that is not the same as conceding the debate.
Here is the rub, I really don’t care that you put nitrogen in your tires, or why, it really will not hurt anything other than your wallet. My problem is that you came in here PROMOTING NitroFill like it was the second coming of Christ, mounting personal attacks, calling names and ignoring physics and common sense trying to sell the benefits of paying for nitrogen in your street car tires to anyone who might read your posts. When called on it, you and your brother in arms classix_stang289 just tucked your chins, closed your minds and charged forward, like bulls in a china shop.
Again, any advantage that might actual provide is so small as to be totally insignificant. I have a set of 25+ year old Centerline aluminum wheels and BF Goodrich Radial TA tires I bought NEW in the mid 80’s they have been mounted on one of my cars or another since they were purchased new. They have always been filled with plain old air, mounted on a car and sitting outside in the sun, air, snow, wind and rain. They still hold air and neither the wheels nor tires have significantly corroded from “oxidization” anywhere near enough to effect their function, period! Why would any normal person concern their self about such a non-issue??? WHY?
Photo of one of my 4 25+ year old air filled tires, that are still serviceable LONG after the end of their normal service life.
Hello! This has been my and nearly everyone but 3 or 4 posters to this threads point all along! Most of us understood this even without Consumer Reports data. Not only does the minimal 3 psi per year pressure loss NOT warrant nitrogen, but none of the other "FALSE" benefits do either.
So was my reply. My comments were about Jay Leno’s film about his new Corvette ZR1. His comments and details are less than accurate on at least 3 occasions in this short narrative. I am actually surprised by his lack of car knowledge, but I am thoroughly disappointed in his lack of attention to detail. If he is going to publish narrative films to the internet, it would behoove him to pay someone to check his facts. The guy makes millions of dollars being funny, and buys lots of cars with it, what makes you think he is so “knowledgeable” about cars?
The film can be viewed here:
http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/...tml?vid=867761
The thread talking about it is here:
http://forums.bradbarnett.net/showth...46#post5704346
red pony, I am glad you now understand how silly it is to pay to put nitrogen in your tires.
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WTF?
You can’t be serious, are you still not convinced? 
I’ve already told you what I think of Jay Leno’s “car” knowledge and attention to detail, I seriously doubt Jay Leno, the night club comedian can bring anything of substance to this silly nitrogen car tire scam debate.
Do you think it matters what Jay Leno says about it?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
I’ve already told you what I think of Jay Leno’s “car” knowledge and attention to detail, I seriously doubt Jay Leno, the night club comedian can bring anything of substance to this silly nitrogen car tire scam debate.
Do you think it matters what Jay Leno says about it?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
Blackgt500, things have changed a bit since we last argued this point. The profiling and name-calling is over now. My question is legitimate about Jay Leno.I asked it in the context of wondering why such a knowledgable man would stand behind something so controversial when he has an image to protect?
You are wrong about me too! Sure I'm a hard headed person, but show me enough facts, and I'll apologize to you for my incorrect asumptions. I've made mistakes in judement before! Nobody is perfect, and I hope you don't judge me for a stand based on a flaw in my reasoning. And yes I am acutely aware of how important dry air is in my old trade. Dry air being as good as nitrogen was not a thought at the time I purchased nitrofill. At the time, I had the money on hand and thought "what the heck, I'll try it". Also I thought the insurance you get was good for an emergency. But when you look at the test table the loss difference is an average of 3 pounds in one YEAR not from one check point to the next! That is minimal at best and doesn't warrant its purchase on this merrit alone. The only thing I can justify is that maybe nitrogen being noncorrosive might extend the life of the tires slightly, provided I take care of the outside of the tire too.
Maybe I'm missing something.
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You can’t be serious, are you still not convinced?
I’ve already told you what I think of Jay Leno’s “car” knowledge and attention to detail, I seriously doubt Jay Leno, the night club comedian can bring anything of substance to this silly nitrogen car tire scam debate.
Do you think it matters what Jay Leno says about it?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
I’ve already told you what I think of Jay Leno’s “car” knowledge and attention to detail, I seriously doubt Jay Leno, the night club comedian can bring anything of substance to this silly nitrogen car tire scam debate.
Do you think it matters what Jay Leno says about it?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
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Being a collector doesn't necessarily make someone knowledgable.
So, you're saying it doesn't matter to you what Nitrogen provides, as long as you have the emergency coverage? I'm pretty sure we weren't discussing emergency roadside policies and coverages, but the benefits of Nitrogen gas versus "air."
Maybe I'm missing something.
So, you're saying it doesn't matter to you what Nitrogen provides, as long as you have the emergency coverage? I'm pretty sure we weren't discussing emergency roadside policies and coverages, but the benefits of Nitrogen gas versus "air."
Maybe I'm missing something.
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It's of interest to note that this thread is not the only one that debates this very controversial subject! There are other spots on the 'net that are going at it too ! And I see your point of view too. After all, how do you argue with scientific proof? Yet, I see from what I read, there is a strong chance that these nitrogen stations will be a trend for the future! Anything to make a buck!
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If you don't read my answers why do you keep asking me questions???
Rich, It is about you!
You are the only one still trying to eek out some justification for wasting money putting nitrogen in your car tires.
The whole **** thread is about you and your stubborn refusal to admit that paying to put nitrogen in your tires garners no real benefit, and is basically a scam.
If you don't read my answers why do you keep asking me questions???
I have explained my position on Jay Leno to you twice now. Did you read it? Do you understand what I said?
To reiterate, I think Jay Leno's "car" knowledge is sorely lacking and his attention to detail leaves much to be desired. So I don't put much more weight in what he says than I would what the minimum wage auto parts clerk at Wal-Mart says.
Now do you understand what I said?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
You are the only one still trying to eek out some justification for wasting money putting nitrogen in your car tires.
The whole **** thread is about you and your stubborn refusal to admit that paying to put nitrogen in your tires garners no real benefit, and is basically a scam.
If you don't read my answers why do you keep asking me questions???
I have explained my position on Jay Leno to you twice now. Did you read it? Do you understand what I said?
To reiterate, I think Jay Leno's "car" knowledge is sorely lacking and his attention to detail leaves much to be desired. So I don't put much more weight in what he says than I would what the minimum wage auto parts clerk at Wal-Mart says.
Now do you understand what I said?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
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Rich, It is about you!
You are the only one still trying to eek out some justification for wasting money putting nitrogen in your car tires.
The whole **** thread is about you and your stubborn refusal to admit that paying to put nitrogen in your tires garners no real benefit, and is basically a scam.
If you don't read my answers why do you keep asking me questions???
I have explained my position on Jay Leno to you twice now. Did you read it? Do you understand what I said?
To reiterate, I think Jay Leno's "car" knowledge is sorely lacking and his attention to detail leaves much to be desired. So I don't put much more weight in what he says than I would what the minimum wage auto parts clerk at Wal-Mart says.
Now do you understand what I said?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
You are the only one still trying to eek out some justification for wasting money putting nitrogen in your car tires.
The whole **** thread is about you and your stubborn refusal to admit that paying to put nitrogen in your tires garners no real benefit, and is basically a scam.
If you don't read my answers why do you keep asking me questions???
I have explained my position on Jay Leno to you twice now. Did you read it? Do you understand what I said?
To reiterate, I think Jay Leno's "car" knowledge is sorely lacking and his attention to detail leaves much to be desired. So I don't put much more weight in what he says than I would what the minimum wage auto parts clerk at Wal-Mart says.
Now do you understand what I said?
Have you conceded that there are no real benefits to paying to put nitrogen in your car tires or not?
If not, please list off for us what benefits you still think there are?
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So now we're down to dry air. Go to your local scuba store, rent a tank for about 8 bucks or so and fill your shop air tank with the dry air. You'll then be able to fill lots of tires with it -- at a large savings.Come on folks, this has gotten way out of hand. We can all choose to "spend" where we want. I'm sure lots of us have purchased items for our cars that in retrospect probably weren't as advertised. But when the facts are against the premise. Admit it.
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So now we're down to dry air. Go to your local scuba store, rent a tank for about 8 bucks or so and fill your shop air tank with the dry air. You'll then be able to fill lots of tires with it -- at a large savings.Come on folks, this has gotten way out of hand. We can all choose to "spend" where we want. I'm sure lots of us have purchased items for our cars that in retrospect probably weren't as advertised. But when the facts are against the premise. Admit it.
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It is about **** time!
Well Folks, as Jack Nicholson said "What if this is as good as it gets?"
Rich, I'm glad you got it, even if we didn't really know that until this 173rd post.
It did come out in a rather round about way, but it came out. I'll take it.
We have a consensus!
Folks paying for Nitrogen in your car tires is a SCAM!
Rich, I'm glad you got it, even if we didn't really know that until this 173rd post.
It did come out in a rather round about way, but it came out. I'll take it.
We have a consensus!
Folks paying for Nitrogen in your car tires is a SCAM!
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Well Folks, as Jack Nicholson said "What if this is as good as it gets?"
Rich, I'm glad you got it, even if we didn't really know that until this 173rd post.
It did come out in a rather round about way, but it came out. I'll take it.
We have a consensus!
Folks paying for Nitrogen in your car tires is a SCAM!
Rich, I'm glad you got it, even if we didn't really know that until this 173rd post.
It did come out in a rather round about way, but it came out. I'll take it.
We have a consensus!
Folks paying for Nitrogen in your car tires is a SCAM!
I have a small leak in one of my old tires. If I put Nitrogen in it, I wonder if they'll warranty my tire and give me a new set 
Just because something does not do everything it's claimed to do, does not make it a "scam" in the legal sense. There are plenty of things being sold LEGALLY that fail to do what they claim (ever see that stupid metal fan you stick inside your intake which allegedly increases both HP and MPG? It has been proven to give NO gain and actually HURT performance in all third party tests. It's still legal. It's still for sale.)
Legitimate looking organizations sell crap items all the time. Nitrofill is not going to harm you, but having an additional 15% of nitrogen in your tires won't affect your performance.
Sure, it might feel good to have it - and if it were free, I would choose pure nitrogen over air. But the fact is, it costs $50.
But even if nitrofill doesn't actually have measurable effects on your performance... if it makes you happy to put it in your tires for $50, then I support it. $50 for happiness is a bargain.
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Example from my previous post: http://www.vortexvalve.com/
Good luck trying to sue them or get them taken down. What vortexvalve and nitrofill are doing are not illegal. They're just in the business of making money.
Good luck trying to sue them or get them taken down. What vortexvalve and nitrofill are doing are not illegal. They're just in the business of making money.
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Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but I was searching for wheel alignment stuff and ran into this. I read through it all, and seeing this thoroughly non-scientific debate upset me enough that I had to respond and throw in my two cents.
Just because something does not do everything it's claimed to do, does not make it a "scam" in the legal sense. There are plenty of things being sold LEGALLY that fail to do what they claim (ever see that stupid metal fan you stick inside your intake which allegedly increases both HP and MPG? It has been proven to give NO gain and actually HURT performance in all third party tests. It's still legal. It's still for sale.)
Just because something does not do everything it's claimed to do, does not make it a "scam" in the legal sense. There are plenty of things being sold LEGALLY that fail to do what they claim (ever see that stupid metal fan you stick inside your intake which allegedly increases both HP and MPG? It has been proven to give NO gain and actually HURT performance in all third party tests. It's still legal. It's still for sale.)
However, what they are doing is committing fraud, as they are making false claims. As seen here, Fraud is defined as:
a) deceit, trickery; specifically : intentional perversion of truth in order to induce another to part with something of value or to surrender a legal right b) an act of deceiving or misrepresenting : trick
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