If you think increasing the nitrogen in your tires from 80% to 95%-98% is going to Magically cause your tires to last longer or
* Reduce tire failures by 50% or
* Increase tread life by 25-30% or
* Improve steering or
* Improve handling or
* Improve braking or
* Reduce chance of tire failure or
* Dramatically slow pressure loss from permeation or
* Improve fuel economy or
* Reduce running temperatures or
* Decreases false alarms and activation of Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems
Over a properly inflated tire with only 80% nitrogen (plain old FREE air) in them, well Unlike You, I will forgo the name calling, suffice it to say, you are WRONG.

Please with your vastly superior grasp of the laws of physics, explain how nitrogen improves steering, handling, and braking or reduces the chance of tire failure over a properly air inflated tire.

Rather than ranting and protesting about the people who are asking the questions, try just answering them.

 

delete.. I read a post incorrectly

 

Let's just look at improved fuel economy(Which when I bought this product, fuel was at 3.79 a gallon and climbing). As a tire runs , it heats up and so does the air inside the tire . If your tire is at 32 PSI (in a tire that allows 35 PSI max.) and you heat the tire up, the expansion of the air may "inflate" the tire to 35 PSI or higher due to expansion. In order to capitalize on fuel economy, we run at maximum tire pressure or just below it. With regular air at max. pressure as the tire heats up, "over-inflates" the tire, wearing out the center of the tread pattern before the rest of the tire and gain nothing but a prematurely worn out tire . But with nitrogen, expansion is minimized , thus a tire filled to say 34 PSI will stay at 34-35 PSI and be there longer than regular air. Besides, let's face it, when do MOST people check their tires? When they SEE they are low ! By then they're at 20 PSI and they have been losing gas mileage for a long time before they saw it ! But with nitrogen, it takes longer to leak out (I know, I checked mine and I have lost NOTHING in 8 monthes)! So if you are constantly on the go (like me), or you might be forgetfull (like me),to be constantly checking your tires, this is a good product. If you are a car buff, you have one less thing to worry about !

 

I guess the Cunucians are slow to have this or don't see it then ? So if we had a few here in a town where I lived I'd give it a go and if it as well helped save the new Eagles coming then yes I'd like to try it .

 

tire can lose that with temperature changes, if the tires are warmer it might have a little more pressure, same as if the tires were freezing cold in the dead of winter. that 1.5 psi drop if if tires are not maintained. Denlem said it best, nitrofill is not a scam its a choice. karman is the one telling me im the one who has hatred in my post but he dont realize how he sounds. we can go on and on pointing the finger saying hes wrong or this persons wrong or boo hoo. we should just end this discussion, and on that note for all the people who want to "TRY" nitrofill go for it and make your own decision. just like any product on the market, you cannot go by what anyone says, you have to try it yourself and form your own opinion.

 

first off if you dont want to use it, then stop complaining and go voice your opinion on another thread. the fact is that it cost money and your seem to be a cheap bastard. if you aint going to use then shut your pie hole and stop ruining it for people who dont mind spending the few bucks and trying it. stop being such an ***.

 

awesome, i couldnt of said it any better than that. For all who dont and wont use it cause cost MONEY, then they should voice there opinion on another thread and stop ruining it for other people.

 

unless your racing or carrying heavy loads like a trucker then it is a total waste i check my tire pressure every couple of months and i havent lost a single psi in two years

 

No,no,no...
You are a cheap bastard and an *** and you are ruining it for other people.
Alright, here is something from Scientific American (a very prominent science magazine):
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...uel-efficiency
I guess they are just cheap bastards too (not scientific at all).

 

classix_stang289 Do you realize how absolutly pathetic your posts make you appear? Please do everyone on this forum, but mostly yourself a big favor and try proof reading your replies before you publish them to the world wide web forever for millions of people to read...

Did you read red pony's original post?
You Pro Nitrogen guys are spreading outright LIES about the benefits of running nitrogen in your tires. If you like it that is great, if you want to use it that is GREAT too, but you don't get to come here and spread lies about it and then start calling people names when they call you on your absurd BS.

A properly inflated tire filled with air or nitrogen will have the exact same effect on your fuel mileage at the exact same pressure, period. "If" the air pressure happens to increases slightly due to expansion that will HELP your fuel mileage, not hurt it.

At the exact same pressure, the "ride quality" will be exactly the same with air or nitrogen, and the tires operating temperature will be the same too. Every single benefit you Pro Nitrogen guys are touting is simply untrue.

If you do not want public discussion about it I suggest you PM your pro nitrogen buddies about it, you can have your own little nitrogen love-fest. This IS A PUBLIC DISCUSSION FORUM!


No matter how inadequate your debating skills, and they are woefully inadequate, you still don't get to stifle everyone or anyone who disagrees with you, you do not get to decide who will voice their own opinion or where they do it. If you do not like it you can go away.

Your inability to effectively argue your position was bad enough, your persistent adolescent name calling simply has us all thinking you are a ignorant buffoon, are you?

FYI I would rather be a cheap bastard than the ignorant bastard you are every **** time. If you think me calling you on your lies and misinformation is being an ***, that is your problem.

If you don't mind living your life consumed by the "Scourge of the Poor" pissing your money away on products that can not give you the benefits you bought them for, have at it, but if your unchallenged BS causes other forum member to waste their own hard earned money on nitrogen in their tires expecting results that are physically impossible, that is simply wrong.

Obviously the placebo effect is real and at work here, you prove that a person can convince themselves of almost anything no matter how absurd it might actually be...

If you want to continue bulldozing your way through life with your head up your butt, by all means carry on, everyone has a right to remain ignorant.

 

the harder a tire, the better fuel economy. so higher tire pressure will afford you slightly gas mileage returns.

 

Threads like this are meant to be informative. Despite the verbal frustration we all endured,we all got to "vent our spleens" so to speak. But (I hope) we all helped someone out there on either side of this topic. I personally want to apologize to anyone and everyone I may have offended and any and all harsh words used towards anyone on this thread. I let frustration do the talking--sorry-my-bad!

 

Hey don't stop posting! We are neck 'n neck with "Those are my fog lights not my high beams!" thread next door! Only 2 more posts and we caught up to them!

 

Well at least WE stayed on topic! Of course I didn't help our verbal cause by being the last post on their thread!

 

listen, if any of you dont want to use nitrofill thats fine this place is for mustang lovers who are very passionate about there cars and im greatfull im on a website hear who have people that loves there cars to the point where we argue till we are blue in the face. I guess what im trying to say is, that if red pony and I are benefitting from nitrofill then hey more power to us, but for all who dont like nitrofill then hey no problem. cant we all get along sometimes.

 

first off bro, like i just said in my last post. if i see myself benefitting from it then thats what im going to do, i could care less what you do and i could care less if you dont like nitrofill. im simply just sharing my experience to people with this product and sharing with people my knowledge of this product that i have been using and seeing what it can do. if you dont want to use it fine, it doesnt bother me. you can really try and tone down the negative comments towards me, grow up a little bit this is a website where we discuss our passion about our cars, not to get negative and talk down to people. people who do that are truly ignorant.

 

higher tire pressure means less tire contact to the road which wears the center tread of the tire faster then the outer edges which means decreased tire life which then leads to lower gas mileage due to uneven wearing which will also affect your alignment.

 

PV=nRT ... ok that's a little advanced for this discussion.

PV/T = pv/t

The volume of air (whether 78% or 98% nitrogen) does not change inside a tire. Therefore:

P/T = p/t

Lets assume a few things... the tire was initially filled at 70 degrees to 32 psi
P = 32 lb/in2
T = 70*F

What psi would your tires be at when at 0*F? 40*F? 100*F?

I'll even convert the temperatures to Kelvin for you...

T = 294 K

t1 = 255 K
t2 = 278 K
t3 = 311 K

Here's the final equations for you too:

p1 = 255 K * 32psi / 294 K
p2 = 278 K * 32psi / 294 K
p3 = 311 K * 32psi / 294 K

Answers for those who don't want to do the math:
p1 = 28 psi at 0*F
p2 = 30 psi at 40*F
p3 = 34 psi at 100*F

So if Nitrogen maintains pressure better than air, it would still be subject to the same laws of gasses... So at best I see the pressure changes being only slightly less than normal air.

Here's another study done on the subject: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/car...en-tires-.html

 

I can't resist, I have to join this one too!!!

1) Try this thought exercise: If "air" leaks and nitrogen fills don't, then it is because the oxygen (smaller molecule) is doing the leaking. Ok. You fill your tire with "air". ALL of the oxygen leaks out over time, which leaves your tire (originally inflated to 32psi) at 25.0 psi of remaining nitrogen. You refill it with "air". But now, you have 30.5 psi of nitrogen in the tire. The oxygen "quickly" escapes and the tire bleeds down to 30.5 psi, so you refill it again... Then you have 31.9 psi of nitrogen in the tire. After four refills (from the initial fill with air), you have 31.98 psi of nitrogen in your 32 psi tire... That's better than 98% pure nitrogen...

2) I checked the gas and coeffecient of expansions for both "air" and nitrogen gas. They are so freaking close together (given that air is 78% nitrogen, that doesn't surprise me a whole lot!) that there is no WAY you would be able to notice a difference in how much the tire expands or the temperature rise of the tire. We are talking 1% for the gas constant and exactly the same for thermal expansion... That is not much folks...

I have to say, I'm with Black GT500 on this subject.

 

So what you are saying is that the 21 percent of the oxygen in air is meaningless and as much as say" what's a few molecules of oxygen between us ? " It must be more than we think because a lot of " People in the know " , so to speak in areas of technology BEYOND the understanding of this forum, find it NESESSARY to utilize for reasons that even we in our application can benefit . Unless they are a bunch of window lickers.....but then again maybe not. And please don't say their application is different than ours ! It's still a tire on a wheel filled with .....SOMETHING !